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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Dan writes: *Phat Oinks and scratches his head with a cloven hoof...* Take your pick. Seriously. Anything from making graven images to coveting your neighbor's oxen. Go hog wild. The question, Does God Care? can be broken down for the purposes of this discussion.
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Dan writes: Oh so you want God to start? Welll...I'll take it as a sign that He wants me to be His mouthpiece! So here we go....are you ready?
There's that mysterious magnificent destiny again. Any old time you want to clue us in what it is, feel free. So far it's just "talk to God," which I would think he'd be capable of initiating... what with the omnipotence and all.Phat becomes the voice of God: Dan, I care about you. I care because all of you humans were made in my image.... BTW I want to give you props for that sense of humor you have! It makes people laugh and laughter is a great medicine! You may wonder why I do not interfere more...being omnipotent and all! The reason is because I gave you great minds and want you to do your collective best first. I will step in when needed. *cough* One more thing, Dan. I really wish you would talk to me more often. Just because I know what you are going to say before you even say it is no excuse! I love you, son! Don't take any wooden nickels!
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Ringo writes: I do. That seems to fit the "jealous God" scenario - He wants us to bask in His glory instead of "enjoying ourselves" without Him. Seems a tad insecure, too. I don't think believers will want to go there. Lets presuppose that God does care about our well being. God is so complete...so much a source of comfort, love, and energy...that He foreknows that it is to our best interests to hook up with Him. His way is the best way by default.
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Ringo writes:
That doesn't even remotely approach the neighbourhood of what I said. Where's the jealousy? Where's the insecurity? Are they part of His "completeness"?Phat writes: Are we talking about jealousy from Gods perspective or from human perspective? Besides, if God were truly insecure, He never would have allowed anything other than the best path. What's the point of free will if we're not free to choose the second-best way?Phat writes: I agree. And how does touching Jimmy deviate from the "best way" anyway?Phat writes: Thats between Jimmy and God. If Jimmy were my son, I would simply remind him to wash his hands before dinner.
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Dan Carroll writes: The closest I've seen to an actual reason so far is the artist metaphor, and I addressed that earlier today. If an artist fucks up a picture, they don't get all pissy about how the picture fucked up. They correct their own actions. The difference is that Art is not a living thing, nor is it usually drawn or created to have a mind of its own. If an Artist made Art (or a living sculpture) that had a mind of its own, that Artist/Creator may well expect the Art itself to correct itself. Does that make any sense? Bottom Line, Dan: There is no way that any human (or piece of art) will ever be able to explain to you why your Creator/Sculptor should care about you. You were given (through evolution or creation) a mind that was designed to correct your imperfections and idiosyncrasies. Perhaps you regret starting a topic that presupposed the Creator/Artist to be real...I dunno. Are you happy if God is not in the picture, so to speak? (If not, would you want Him to care, assuming His existence? )
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Archer writes: Thats certainly true.
Many of our questions about a deity are built into the picture we draw at the outset. Change the picture and even some urgent questions become meaningless.
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I have a couple of quick rhetorical questions for you, Dan:
1) What are the overall implications if God does not care? 2) What are the implications if He does?
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Neutralmind writes: Which leads to some rhetorical questions:
There's a God that has feelings, why would he care about us doing something that's immoral, or sinning if it doesn't hurt anyone? Neutralmind writes: Or....we are being told of how this God thinks by human authors of the Bible. We can't know what was God's reason(ing) for deeming those actions bad, we can just speculate. What we can know is that some actions (or even thoughts) are considered bad by the God of the Bible. Thats the thing about the Bible. I don't see it as strictly innerrant, yet I also don't see a bunch of human authors with political agendas writing it either. In overall context, the Bible describes the interactions between human thinking and reasoning and our beliefs about and/or awareness of God..(the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Father of Jesus) Strictly speaking, any action undertaken by a human for the purpose of pleasure, gain, or purpose would logically have to bode well for everyone else. It may be true that two men sleeping together causes no discernible harm to a village or culture, but perhaps there are other factors:
Thats just one example...and little Johnny is another...but in order to answer whether God would care or not, we need to examine whether or not we are doing our very best in any situation which falls under this type of scrutiny. Take myself. Does the amount of time I spend sleeping hurt anybody?
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Nator writes: You forgot a third option. "Not worship anything at all". Well...what about rampant materialism? It seems that we come darn near to worshiping that at this time of year! The retailers are flipping out over mediocre sales. What do they expect from us? Edited by Phat, : added link
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