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Author Topic:   Are we born to an evolutionary purpose?
Larni
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Message 16 of 32 (387216)
02-27-2007 5:48 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Neutralmind
02-26-2007 4:02 PM


Neutralmind writes:
Why would gay guys even be born if there is so much less chance that they're genes will get passed on? What evolutionary advantage (considering passing on genes) do gay men have over straight?
You seem to be infering that being gay must have a predetermined 'role' in evolution.
Being gay could be an emergent propperty of being a human.
Like being an artiste: some are, some are not.
It may confer some adaptive advantage but that would very much depend on the culture.
In a very macho culture you would most likely see less expression of overtely camp men but you would still get homosexuality.
Biological systems are prone to having emergent propperties; perhaps homosexuality, just like having aristic talent is simply expressions or one way in which the human organism exist.
Invoking so reason for it being so is putting the cart before the horse.
If you really wanted an answer in evolutionary terms, just look at groups with an alpha male and a hareem.
I believe humans were once in that camp, many moons ago.

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Larni
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Message 17 of 32 (387217)
02-27-2007 5:51 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by anastasia
02-26-2007 5:37 PM


ana writes:
This is way too close to forcing science to give meaning to life, it is looking to science for a justification of all behaviours. Science can give an explanation, maybe even prove that we have tendencies, but purpose lies entirely in our choices. Everything depends on what purpose YOU ascribe to your life. Or, even if it doesn't, say, God or nature have a purpose for your life, it is so clearly obvious that we do not know this purpose by default.
How many times have you had this explained to you in the past?

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Larni
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Message 22 of 32 (387339)
02-28-2007 3:22 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by anastasia
02-27-2007 9:01 PM


ana writes:
Science can give an explanation,
Yet you refuse to accept it, saying it is unfullfilling.
Thats what bugs me.
ana writes:
Do we? Do we automatically do what is right for us?
We have gone through an entired thread on this one!!
http://EvC Forum: Morals without God or Darwin, just Empathy -->EvC Forum: Morals without God or Darwin, just Empathy
Same old ground, same old fundy rejections.

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Larni
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Message 28 of 32 (387495)
02-28-2007 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by anastasia
02-28-2007 9:04 AM


Okay, we should stop.

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