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Message 82 of 137 (368277)
12-07-2006 6:08 PM

Reply to: Message 79 by Coragyps
12-07-2006 4:12 PM

Re: General nature of global flood enviroment.

How fast does clay settle in water?

How fast does sand settle in water? (and not the silty material normally with it that can contain clays and other ionic particles).

A factor of one versus the other?

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Message 84 of 137 (368751)
12-09-2006 10:24 PM

Reply to: Message 83 by anglagard
12-08-2006 7:46 PM

Re: General nature of global flood enviroment.

First, no one I have ever heard of flatly states that water rising and falling simultaneously causes deposition and erosion at the same location at the same time as one would need to given the huge number of geologic unconformities. That water rising and having its salt content diluted creates interbeded evaporates.

It becomes increasingly clear that anyone supporting a world wide flood scenario is 'delugional' ... {{{ducks}}}

There are just too many contradictions to the possibility that one occurred and caused all the variations seen in geology.

The sandstones are the catastrophic deposit which covers and fills in the burrows with sand. The fact that there are no burrows in the sand proves that the sand was deposited rapidly.

7,500 catastrophic and rapid depositions? Each followed by, 7500 peaceful depositions of clay? I don't think this is a scientifically rational explaination.

There is a completely rational explanation, it is called “time.” Also, the sand was locally catastrophic to the poor little burrowers.

All you need is a river delta system with annual floods that flush sandy material out over the clay beds that are built up by normal sediment during the rest of the year.

You would need enough time to repopulate the clay areas, so would not likely be less than a year flood cycle ... is this another annual layered varve system?

You could also have a coastal environment with clay sediments and periodic sand storms from a nearby coastal desert -- much like what happens today off the coast of africa.

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Message 86 of 137 (368774)
12-10-2006 7:13 AM

Reply to: Message 85 by iceage
12-09-2006 11:08 PM

Re: Nanofossil Deposits

Foraminifera will be a subtopic soon on my debate with Murky.

article 8

quote:
As he speaks, Arnold shows a series of microphotographs, depicting the evolutionary change wrought on a single foram species. "This is the same organism, as it existed through 500,000 years," he says. "We've got hundreds of examples like this, complete life and evolutionary histories for dozens of species."

This is a marine species, with their fossils sorted by age in a marine deposit, the deposit shows structure as they have mapped the evolution of the forams.

These fossils also are essentially the same basic size and density throughout the deposit.

How could they be sorted by a flood scenario?

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Message 88 of 137 (368835)
12-10-2006 3:07 PM

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12-10-2006 12:35 PM

Re: Nanofossil Deposits

Thanks, added that as a reference.

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Message 112 of 137 (371494)
12-21-2006 8:29 PM

Reply to: Message 111 by iceage
12-21-2006 5:43 PM

Re: specific gravity

should have increasing Specific Gravity.

He said:

If the grand canyon was depossited in a short time under the same global flood then the layers will, in general, have been sorted out by specific gravity. Such that, the specific gavity of the layers ought to decrease as the column of sediments are ascended.

Decreasing as you go up - heaviest SG settles first, ones closest to 1.025 (salt water) last.

For instance we would see from the top down:

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Gypsum 2.3
Sandstone 2.32
Obsidian 2.35
Stone (common, generic) 2.52
Jasper 2.55
Quartz 2.6
Limestone 2.61
Granite 2.69
Dolomite 2.85-2.95
Basalt 3.01
Hemimorphite 3.4-3.5 (zinc ore)
Malachite 3.75-3.95 (copper ore)
Limonite 3.6-4.0 (iron ore)
Pyrite (fool's gold) 4.1-5.02
Magnetite 4.9-5.2 (iron ore)
Hematite 5.1-5.2 (iron ore)

That should be enought for starters.

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Message 117 of 137 (371564)
12-22-2006 7:02 AM

Reply to: Message 115 by Randy
12-21-2006 9:13 PM

specific gravity, size, & sorting

... from liquids at low Reynolds number, ...

Careful, your tossing concepts totally foreign to most people - being able to compare flow characteristics for different speeds, sizes, temperatures, pressures, etc.

Actually both specific gravity and grain size are important.

Yes, and large size can result in higher position in a mix than is predicted by density too.

From water deposition one would expect the coarse grained rocks to be deposited first followed by finer and finer grain sizes. However, according to Grand Canyon Geology by Beus and Morales, the deposits forming the Bright Angel Shales coarsen as they ascend. From page 105 "Upward coarsening sequences are up to 25 feet (8 m) thick and typically can be traced for several 10's of kilometers.

And we have limestone on two sides of sandstone. I would say that Joman's hypothesis is invalidated.

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Message 136 of 137 (374326)
01-04-2007 7:12 AM

non-sequiter input

Non Sequitur by Wiley Miller for January 04, 2007 - GoComics

Shows the method for magic water ...

(it just takes the right staff?)

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