This question wasn't directed at me and may have been addressed before I posted, but I would guess that Crashfrog brought up gambling as a parallel to porn for its association with traditional American Christianity (I emphasize American because I assume CF, NJ and myself to be speaking from the American experience). Both of these "sins" play a huge part in our American cultural experience based upon our mostly Protestant Christian heritage.
I saw it more as grasping straws.
NJ, you ask, why people feel a compulsion to hide their proclivity for porn/gambling (maybe not so much as porn) in general life and then use an employer's concern over such proclivities as evidence for depravity. But, you do not recognize that the employee and the employer come from, largely, the same culture.
Oh right, because company policies are based around the Bible....???
An employee, during paid office hours, should not be posting at EvC, just as much as s/he should not be viewing "Gang-bang Gina", but our society condemns said employee for the latter based on particular cultural mores, not on some universal morality scheme.
Again, for the umteenth time. Which do you think is more likely? Your boss walks in and sees you posting on EvC. He says, "Hey, come on now. Stop fluffing off. I really need those reports by the end of the day. You know, I don't care if you check your email on occasion or whatever, just don't make this habitual."
The next scenario has your boss walking in on "Gang-Bang Gina." Your boss, with wide eyes and visably embarrased, says, "Uh, what are you watching? This is unacceptable. Unacceptable! You have a half hour to be in my office with the board members. We'll decide what course of action we are going to take on this matter. Let me say this much. You know the companies policy on this and were instructed during orientation how severe the infraction would be. What's the matter with you? You know our IT department searches for this stuff and you rsiked it anyway?"
Answer honsetly:
Do the scenarios I presented seem logical? Do you think any company, not associated with porn in anyway, would just mosey on in watching you watch Gang-bang Gina, and be all, "Hey, what's up man? Did you catch the ballgame last night?"
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Eating food helps you survive, watching porn or even having sex won't determine whether or not you live or die. Christians have a problem with porn. Perhaps you don't want to make the connection because you are an advocate of Christianity. Its not a jab at anyone that practices Christianity. Everyone understands the lure of Christianity. It isn't like anyone is weird for practicing Christianity. I'm just saying that Christianity has some consequences attached to it and its promoters should understand that.
All bolding mine and words replaced to prove a point
You know, I've never seen more people so transparently flustered, using more underhanded tactics, or floundered around this much on an incontrovertible subject. Tell you what Jaderis, go in to work tomorrow and blast Gang-bang Gina. Then tell me the reason they fired you. If every one here likes porn so much, then masturbate to your hearts content and fill your mind with as many images as you want. That's entirely up to you. But please don't play dumb like porn is something that is as benign as watching Sesame Street, m'kay?
I agree that his testimony and understanding into Bundy's particular psychology provide much insight for social scientists, the "fact" that pornography played a pivotal role in his/their development as psychotic killers or even "common criminals" is coincedental and highly anecdotal just as much as the fact (by itself) that he/they were white and raised Christian.
Alright, well, don't believe it.
Unequivocally, really? That porn causes serial killings, or that most serial killers have an obsession with porn? Well, if most viewers of porn do not have a homicidal obsession, then we must figure out what OTHER VARIABLE causes homicidal mania, since porn doesn't seem to cut it.
I've already said, numerous times, that porn doesn't 'make you' kill people. What I said was that serial killers have one thing in common between them all-- they are deeply entrenched in the world of pornography. But porn is just the delivery method of a much deeper issue-- namely, sexual immorality. Porn is just an avenue of this immorality. And if it is left unchecked, it has the potential to fester in to more and more deviant thoughts and actions. Nobody starts off watching snuff films or extreme bondage. They start off at the beginning with a level of innocence. And nobody is going to condemn anyone for being interested in sex. That's absurd. However, if a person continues in this manner, they may begin to trivialize sex and become more calloused to it. When this happens, more, and more depraved acts have to be viewed to get that feeling back of intense emotion. Pain somehow becomes factored in and associated with sex. When that begins to wane, simulated rape can arouse. Once that subsides, the realm of fantasy no longer satisfies and they begin to act out their fantasies. They all describe the rush and the thrill and become addicted to it. And just like any drug, they can't get that first time feeling back. They end up chasing the dragon. Next, it leads to murder where now the thought of inducing pain and asserting dominance over another human being brings back those feelings. Then it could lead to just raping and killing someone no longer produce that endorphine rush. Now they may find overkill, like mutilation and dismemberment appealing. And I say, never say, never.... but, seriously, how do you come back from that? Is not the psyche torn to shreds and any sense of morality abandoned?
Do not these descriptions sound all too familiar? Is what I am saying really all that absurd? Is not my rationale grounded in a 'shred' of fact? If any among you dismiss this, I will have nothing more to say on the subject. I wouldn't know how else to word it to get my point across.
What science are you speaking of? One variable maybe pointing one way does not causation prove.
Sociology.
"There is not in all America a more dangerous trait than the deification of mere smartness unaccompanied by any sense of moral responsibility." -Theodore Roosevelt
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