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anglagard
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Message 17 of 111 (356615)
10-15-2006 3:37 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Hyroglyphx
10-14-2006 10:52 PM


Re: Its the Sleaze factor - not the Gay factor
Nemesis Juggernaut writes:
I would say that suppression if not channeled through a healthy avenue can have these effects, but I wouldn't hesitate to clarify that pornography is 99.8% the culprit. And having said that, that doesn't automatically mean that people that look at porn are going to become sexual deviants. What it does mean is that pornography is the stepping stone for virtually all the cases of this.
I am puzzled about how you came up with the figure 99.8%. If the relationship is linear, wouldn't such a figure indicate that societies that do not have access to pornography would have a 0.2% per capita rate of sexual deviance?
This goes back to the question of definitions.
What is sexual deviance? Please define.
Also what is pornography? Please define.
As I have discovered through the school of hard knocks here, without establishing a proper definition of terms either at the outset or at least at the point of assertion, posts soon lose any meaning whatsoever.
Edited by anglagard, : percentage off.

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anglagard
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From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 37 of 111 (356741)
10-15-2006 6:39 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Hyroglyphx
10-15-2006 12:07 PM


Re: Its the Sleaze factor - not the Gay factor
NJ writes:
Pornography maybe a harmless and inquisitive endeavor at first, and certainly there is bueaty in the naked human form. Pornography, though, doesn't enhance this qualitative bueaty, it eradicates it and turns into something reprehensible. Those that lightly browse through it find themselves and their time devoted to ever-increasing bouts with it. Pornography, like cocaine or methamphetamines, is like a stimulant and considered by its honest adherents as highly addictive. It creates a strong physiological response in the viewer that almost certainly will become dulled from subsequent viewings. From the diminishment of "feeling" it could lead people into darker forms of pornography. And further down the path the individual is lead into depravity.
I think you have made your stand against pornography quite clear. However to keep saying "I am against pornography" really begs the following questions.
What is pornography?
Is your definition of pornography violent images associated with sex? depictions of the sexual act in a manner you don't approve of? any depitions of the sexual act? is it nakedness of white people? nakedness of all people? double beds? cleavage? on-screen kissing? liberalism? evolution? science? Without your definition, your statement becomes meaningless.
Given that you could define pornography, how would one approach the problem? fines?, jail?, castration?, beheading?
Also, would your definition and solution be acceptable to those who make judicial decisions concerning free speech?, the majority of voters?, evangelical christians?
Are you proposing that you alone should hold the office of censor, a position that has not been held since the Roman Empire?
IMO until you can answer these questions, your statements are empty complaints which are not to be taken seriously.

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anglagard
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Message 43 of 111 (356775)
10-15-2006 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Hyroglyphx
10-15-2006 8:39 PM


Re: Its the Sleaze factor - not the Gay factor
What you have provided is the definition of pornography that is currently used by the US government, which obviously allows all this pornography that you are objecting to. The government definition is not what I asked for, I asked for your definition, as you seem to desire a stricter standard than currently allowed under US legal opinion.
NJ writes:
However, if it were outlawed instead of simply regulated, I would say the most logical way to handle is like drug offenders. You rehabilitate the offenders and go after the purveyors, the one's making a fortune of other peoples emotions.
I am unfamiliar with such rehabilitation being commonly used for drug offenders in the US. Here in Texas, it's straight to the joint, no rehab for all but the most minor infractions that used to be ticketed offenses prior to the ascent of Reagan.
I'm just giving you my personal opinion on the matter.
Not really, you have not even provided a definition of this pornography you are railing against other than the government definition that allows what we have now.
Maybe you can answer me this one question so I can gauge your allegiance to it. How would you feel if your wife and/or daughter were in porn? Its just a job, right? Its 'just' sex, right? And if it would bother you, ask yourself why that is, especially in light if it 'just' being a normal biological urge. I think any honest person here recognizes that there is an unmistakable psychological factor associated with porn in the negative.
Answer my question concerning your (not the government's) definition of pornography first.

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