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Author Topic:   Evolution on Trial by Bill Whitehouse
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Message 29 of 42 (351867)
09-24-2006 6:10 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Moe
09-24-2006 5:50 PM


definitions.
How do you define evolution o evolutionary theory? You seem to be implying that origins of life has nothing to do with evolution, and I'm not quite sure how you come to that conclusion.
Because evolution only starts once you have life. The origin of life is still open, whether through natural mechanisms as studied in the science of abiogenesis or by supernatural mechanisms as in god-did-it, is irrelevant to evolution.
definitions:
quote:
evolution” -noun
1. any process of formation or growth; development: the evolution of a language; the evolution of the airplane.
2. a product of such development; something evolved: The exploration of space is the evolution of decades of research.
3. Biology. change in the gene pool of a population from generation to generation by such processes as mutation, natural selection, and genetic drift.
4. a process of gradual, peaceful, progressive change or development, as in social or economic structure or institutions.
5. a motion incomplete in itself, but combining with coordinated motions to produce a single action, as in a machine.
6. a pattern formed by or as if by a series of movements: the evolutions of a figure skater.
7. an evolving or giving off of gas, heat, etc.
8. Mathematics. the extraction of a root from a quantity. Compare involution (def. 8).
9. a movement or one of a series of movements of troops, ships, etc., as for disposition in order of battle or in line on parade.
10. any similar movement, esp. in close order drill.
Seeing as we are discussing the science of evolution we are refering to definition #3: "change in the gene pool of a population from generation to generation by such processes as mutation, natural selection, and genetic drift."
Other definitions are "descent with modification" and "change in the frequency of alleles in a population" ...
We can simplify this to be "change in species over time" but the essential element is that existing species change -- and you need to have an existing species to begin with.
So the fact is that evolution does not have anything to do with the origins of life, just what happens afterwards.
If you are going to discuss a science then you need to use the terms as they are defined in the science eh?
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Message 31 of 42 (351876)
09-24-2006 6:23 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Moe
09-24-2006 5:57 PM


Re: Where is it wrong?
Why is it that an ARBITRARY distinction is being made between what you have defined as evolution and explanations for the origin of life? Are you saying that questions concerning the origin of life has nothing to do with evolution?
It's not arbitrary, that is how the science defines the terms. It's like trying to do chemical reactions when you only have protons, electrons and neutrons, but no atoms -- it doesn't work.
And if it has nothing to do with evolution, then how to you explain the existence of your first species? In other words, are you telling me that evolutionists are to some extent assuming their conclusions and saying that there is no need to explain the origin of life?
Evolution doesn't explain the first species (or first set of species).
Assuming life to be existing in order to study the change in species over time is not circular reasoning or assuming the conclusion when the object of study is the change in species over time.

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