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ohnhai
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Message 1 of 109 (347886)
09-10-2006 12:25 AM


An Inconvenient Truth.
IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THIS FILM (Doco) THEN DO SO .
Rotten Tommatoes reviews page
If you have then what did you think?


Now I have never been a naysayer of global warming, but neither have I been evangelical about it either. But this film underlines a few ”inconvenient truths’ that I only dimly understood previously. The data presented in this film, at face value, is undeniable. And even on closer inspection I’m sure would hold water.
I was shocked to learn that Australia (my temporary country of residence) is the the only other major nation not to have currently ratified the Kyoto treaty.. (shame on Howard and the Aussies in general.)
But like I said GO SEE THIS FILM. Think on it and then do something .
Go here : No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.climatecrisis.net/
Edited by ohnhai, : finished typing in the thread title........ DOH!!!!
Edited by ohnhai, : No reason given.

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ohnhai
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Posts: 649
From: Melbourne, Australia
Joined: 11-17-2004


Message 3 of 109 (347893)
09-10-2006 2:03 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by kuresu
09-10-2006 1:54 AM


Yup it is the Al Gore movie..

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ohnhai
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Message 5 of 109 (347909)
09-10-2006 6:46 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Silent H
09-10-2006 4:59 AM


Re: what, again?
I too was disappointed with the web site, the lack of hard data or links to it (and lack of contact information to request it: I did look). And I do realize that there is an inevitable slice of political placement on the part of Gore (or those he wished to promote). Either way America on the whole tends to be reactionary and needs the occasional catalyst to get that reaction happening.
Carbon emissions are known to have an effect on retaining solar heat and thus adding to the natural warming. We know that the developed worlds are producing far more carbon emissions than the natural back ground level. And we know that we CAN easily reduce those emission levels with ease. Even if this is a natural up swing, then all the doom-saying aside, a higher than necessary human contribution is not gonna help any.
Even if the film overstates the problem (with out the hard data its dificult to say) reducing carbon emissions IS a good thing. It forces the energy producers and car manufacturers, to name but two, to clean their act up. Getting the majority of the world re-cycling and re-using resources rather than this ”use-discard’ mentality we seem to have developed since consumerism hit, also can only be good. Forcing people to look at their own energy consumption habits can only be good (if everyone reduces their peak and general energy requirements by even a small percentage then the national and global savings in cost, waste and emissions would be huge. Like I said that an only be good.
If America needs a Katrina sized slap upside the head to become aware of this then I welcome the film for being so ”The end is nigh!’ but even if the end is not ”nigh’ then all the lessons and ideas for reducing Carbon emissions and reducing energy consumption, reducing waste and increasing re-use can only help. After all the oil is going to run out soon and the less we depend on that now, the less painful it will be when it is utterly depleted. You never know a push to become cleaner and more efficient to avoid unsettling the environment any more than we need to, could well lead to the very technologies we need to break our dependence on oil/coal and other limited recourses.
The film may not be the best, but let it serve as a catalyst for thought and action.

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ohnhai
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Posts: 649
From: Melbourne, Australia
Joined: 11-17-2004


Message 7 of 109 (347912)
09-10-2006 8:46 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Silent H
09-10-2006 7:41 AM


Re: what, again?
Holms writes:
I definitely agree with this and wish this was the force behind the changes we are seeking.
Yes yes. If America had the political will to snap out of the energy status-quo and focus it’s attention on developing viable clean, replenish able energy systems then the power that the middle east oil producing states currently have would be America’s (or whoever develops this tech . . get your skates on, it could be the Chinese !) If doing the right thing in regard to the environment is not enough to motivate political will, then how about letting another ”alternate ideology’ have that much power when it could be yours?
Holms writes:
It is only this last part that I am disagreeing with. While you state (and perhaps rightly) that America tends to be reactionary and needs catalysts to get moving, I disagree that feeding that habit is worthwhile, no matter the end.
I agree, It’s sad that this seems to be the case but that’s what happens when a culture gets comfy and complacent. Just look at 9/11. America got complacent and comfy, thinking that such an attack was ”inconceivable’, and yet . .
The people of all nations should be more aware and pro-active in many things, but that means risks, that means breaking the status-quo of “I’m doing OK”.
America (talking on average) is ”doing OK’ and there is precious little anyone else can do to sway its policies. So it chooses to not force things like Kyoto onto its companies and people because it’s more convenient to let the status-quo ride. You have to preserve the good ol’ American way of life, don’t you? And what good is it to be American if you can’t drive your large, horrifically inefficient gas-guzzelers any time you god-damn please?
Sorry, that was a tad unfair . I apologize.
No, what good is it to be an American corporation if your government forces you to make a cleaner more efficient product at the expense of your share dividends? Go fig.
I agree that this habit of contented apathy should not be fed but as long as the US feels comfy it will need prodding into action .

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ohnhai
Member (Idle past 5192 days)
Posts: 649
From: Melbourne, Australia
Joined: 11-17-2004


Message 23 of 109 (347987)
09-10-2006 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Sonne
09-10-2006 5:25 PM


Re: what, again?
kakariki writes:
(the possums have to go, sorry ohnhai )
Dont be. get rid of the nasty little buggers... they lie in wait and hiss at me every evening as I walk home from the train.

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