Homosexuality and Natural Selection.

I feel that whether it is or isn't genetic, has no bearing on what people "feel" it is. If someone you come across can't understand that thought, and wants to call you a homophobe, then they are the ones with the problem.The pentagon has released a detailed report saying that being homosexual is a mental disorder, although that is being refuted. If thats the case, then I would think any sexual preference could be considered a mental disorder, as we all have one. Just keep telling them the truth.What I don't understand is, just how is the faith-based group using evolution to suit their agenda?You can also point out that if gay people want to believe that evolution has a purpose, or intelligence, then there is a lot of other explaining that needs to taken into account. I am sure if you examine it, and pose a question to them, they will see how evolution is not it's own entity, but just a theory. We are not borg.

That's pretty funny.ABE, or maybe it just means he/she is supposed to be a Preist Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.

This is exactly what I said, only in reverse. I am in no way trying to justify what people feel about it. I am saying that their feelings may be unwarranted.The OP is afraid of being called a homophobe by gays who do not even know how to define evolution, or why they are gay. Seems like they are just quick to pull the homophobe trigger. I find that just as bad as being an actual homophobe.Homophobe is fear of homosexuals, but then what do you call someone who is afraid of being called a homophobe?

I feel there is truth in that statement, but to be fair, if you put a bunch of heterosexuals on the island, who were born with the inability to procreate, they would also die out.In my quest to try and justify marraige as being just a man and a woman, it came down to just those points. To me the real reason for being married is to have children, and start a family, otherwise we are just hanging out being friends for life, and screwing each other.This obviously way different from what actually is, and people who are married with no desire to have children take ofense to that thought. So I came to the conclusion that the world is just way too fucked up, starting with me first, and I will leave it up to God's grace and mercy to sort it all out. I will just try and love the next person, and not throw stones.Sounds like the gathering your speaking of is just that, an illegitamite stone throwing contest, and you will never convince either side of anything, because you are not dealing directly with the underlying motives of either side.It all boils down to love. What would love do? Some people in here seem to think that love is the culmination of our basic survival instincts, but there is no survival instinct in a gay sex(not relationship), as it doesn't lead to carrying on the human race. so to me love is way deeper than just evolved survival instincts. Love conquers all. In all this, who is loving who?

I was going to say that too. But it is not fear of being fearful of homo's, it's fearful of being called fearful of being homo.Just looked up some phobias:
Nomatophobia- Fear of names.
Onomatophobia- Fear of hearing a certain word or of names.

The island will have no children, but be decorated really fabulous.

I don't know if you got where I was coming from. If homosexuality is a mental disorder, then every sexual preference is then. It all hinges on what you perceive as order, and disorder.

No, I am saying we could infer talented design.If it was an island of broken down cars, I don't know how quickly they would get running, but they would be painted in great colors.I know, I know, I am sterotyping,,,,, so what?

There really is no way that the gay population could increase through natural selection, is there?

????My question.....demostrates.......a lack of understanding of what I am talking about.My question...talking about...My question, not talking about anything. If I had credentials in that field of knowledge, I would not have asked that question, would I?Instead of attacking me, explain to me how it could happen, so I can understand too. Just like your unwarranted response, right from thin air. There is no room for BS like this in an intelligent conversation, so stop.Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.

I am not exactly sure how this promotes gay people to exist. I did not know about that, that is fascinating. Seriously. But we do not clone, so that kind of supports what I am saying.Think of the moths from the book of Darwin. The white moths got weened out due to natural selection. Straight people would not get weened out, because the majority of gay people are not reproducing.The only thing I can think of, and it is a very ignorant narrowminded view of it, is that gay people are more the result of society, than natural selection.Please, don't everyone beat up on me, but just explain why I am wrong, and if there is no truth to what I am saying. We have established that I have nothing against gay people, and I have declared that I don't really give a crap how they got to be gay, other than it is just plain interesting.

Thanks holmes. I guess what I wrote wasn't really what I meant.Let's say that whatever it is that would increase the number of homosexual people on the planet continued, and all we were left with was homosexual people. Wouldn't our race then die out, making the natural selection process a failure?Also, are there any other species that we know of, that have evolved themselves right off the planet?I know all this is far fetched and would never happen, but it is fun to discuss it.

Yes, thank you for pointing that out. I wasn't really focusing on the fact that they are gay, just the fact that most homosexuals do not reproduce. Absolutely. But what if it was all, and not some? Hey wouldn't it be funny if all of a sudden lesbians started reproducing in the same fashion?I wonder if this would make them happy or not. But there was a purpose, or an explanation why that happened. I wonder what our explanation is.I have always felt that the moth was designed to do just what it did, and it isn't something that would lead it to being another species.

This kind of brings us back to the op.Then I ask this question. If there is no goal to evolution, then why do we have survival instincts, and a will to live? I don't think RAZD meant ever extinct species, but the species that have died from natural selection are now extinct. I totally agree with this. I love technology, but I wonder will it be our ultimate demise?Maybe that is one of the reasons I believe in God, and all that is part of the equation of the difference between God and man.

We are nature.