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Author Topic:   Get To Know God (GTKG) 101
robinrohan
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Message 30 of 46 (346832)
09-05-2006 8:37 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Archer Opteryx
09-05-2006 7:13 PM


Re: dsv's GTKG Step 1
The book never defines Ultimate Reality. It starts off right away telling you that as soon as you invent a word for it, you are no longer talking about reality, but about your idea of it.
This doesn't make much sense to me. There's no other way to talk about something except by using one's "idea of it."

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robinrohan
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Message 32 of 46 (346838)
09-05-2006 8:57 PM
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09-05-2006 8:53 PM


Re: dsv's GTKG Step 1
To hope to ever get to know GOD you must first throw away God.
There's no way to get rid of "preconceptions" or
even "conceptions," "pre-" or not.

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robinrohan
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Message 34 of 46 (347070)
09-06-2006 6:26 PM
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09-06-2006 6:22 PM


Re: beyond description
Lao Tse, after saying how useless it is to talk about the ultimate reality, talks about it for a little while. It is like water, he says; like a path, like a supple plant, like nothing at all--colorless, odorless, tasteless. But he has already warned you at the outset that no words will catch it. The whole enterprise is a bit of a joke, he advises, on all of us.
Is this ultimate reality a being or a thing?

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robinrohan
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Message 36 of 46 (347086)
09-06-2006 7:16 PM
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09-06-2006 7:07 PM


Re: beyond description
It is what it is.
Yes, but it's important for us to know if ultimate reality is a being or a thing.
If it's a being, theism is true.
If it's a thing, atheism is true.
So the distinction is crucial.

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robinrohan
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Message 41 of 46 (347161)
09-06-2006 11:28 PM
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09-06-2006 11:20 PM


Re: beyond description
A thing has being. A being is a thing.
By "being" I mean an entity that possesses consciousness.
"Things" I'm defining as entities that do not possess consciousness.
It has to be one or the other.

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robinrohan
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Message 43 of 46 (347232)
09-07-2006 7:54 AM
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09-07-2006 12:08 AM


Re: beyond description
Are you one or the other?
Yes, I'm a being, you're a being, and probably certain animals are beings, like raccoons and cats. Other animals are probably things, like worms and beetles. And then there are those entities that we are fairly certain are things, such as trees, planets, and electrons.
It's a way of classifying reality that is important to philosophy and religion. You could sort entities out in other ways if you wanted to. You could classify them according to color, for example, or according to size, but such schemes would not seem to be very helpful in regard to helping us form our worldviews.
If we just say there's an "ultimate reality" and we don't what it is and if we try to figure out what it is, then we falsify it because we think in terms of categories, we have not made any progress. Why even bother calling It or He or whatever an "ultimate" reality? We might as well just call it reality, unless you are suggesting there are realities that are not ultimate. What would that mean? That such entities are half-real but not all the way real, but there is Something that is all-the-way real?
This is why I say that these Eastern religions are steeped in vagueness.
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robinrohan
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Message 45 of 46 (347288)
09-07-2006 1:11 PM
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09-07-2006 11:08 AM


Re: beyond description
Do you possess consciousness?
Yes. Regularly.
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