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Author Topic:   Get To Know God (GTKG) 101
iano
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Message 26 of 46 (346714)
09-05-2006 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by purpledawn
08-24-2005 6:52 PM


Re: Model for Seeking God
I think we could use this thread as a place for iano to provide a model for seeking God.
Thanks but no.
I feel it is unreasonable for an atheist to be responsible for coming up with the model, since those who believe in God supposedly know where to look, etc.
It is perfectly reasonable for an athiest to provided the model I think. For it is he who would have to find the model reasonable. I could say "ask God to reveal himself to you" but the athiest (or agnostic) would have to be the person to figure out for themselves that that was a reasonable element to incorporate in the model. They would have to arrive at that not only being an acceptable thing to do but also understand what it was that was being asked and on what basis it would be asked. Now if I could construct a model where that was a reasonable thing to do then so equally, could the athiest. If he could not, then me modelling it so would be rejected by the atheist - eliminating any 'advantage' I have. He would find the basis for the modelling unreasonable.
Even looking at GDR's step 1 shows the extent of the problem. "Have an open mind" Well, how does one ensure they have that? Can you go and buy a multimeter, plug yourself into in and get a reading as to open-mindedness? You cannot. If a person was, for example, to examine the consequences that would lead out of a successful search and then examine themselves personally to see whether they were willing to live with those consequences or not then they might be in a position to rely on their open mindedness.
As with a person calling themselves a Christian, calling oneself open minded does not mean one is in fact.

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iano
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Message 28 of 46 (346768)
09-05-2006 5:56 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by iano
09-05-2006 3:25 PM


Re: Model for Seeking God
Okay, it looks at the argument for Jesus but does contain a number of relevant items to be considered by a God-searcher when he is designing a model of investigation.
The "play online" option is probably the quickest. Fast forward about a minute to miss the blurb
How do we Know Christianity is Right Out of All the Religions? - bethinking.org

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iano
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Message 37 of 46 (347097)
09-06-2006 7:42 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Archer Opteryx
09-06-2006 6:22 PM


Re: beyond description
Lao Tse, after saying how useless it is to talk about the ultimate reality, talks about it for a little while. It is like water, he says; like a path, like a supple plant, like nothing at all--colorless, odorless, tasteless. But he has already warned you at the outset that no words will catch it. The whole enterprise is a bit of a joke, he advises, on all of us.
He might as well have tried to describe an orgasm. One can sympathise with his problem.
The ancient Hebrews prohibited making solid images...
Perhaps. But they gave us something beyond measure despite the admitted paltriness of descriptive language. They invariably described the Ultimate Reality as 'He'. A giant leap for paltry language by any measure
Edited by iano, : No reason given.

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