Re: Substantiating The Validity Of Bible Prophecy

Well then if that's how you see it, hows about refuting the ones I'm claiming as viable? That's what this thread is for. How so; why? All I'm getting in this thread is substanceless rhetoric. How about some specifics so we can debate them? Again, how about some sensible debate on what I've produced? You've said nothing substantive yet on anything specific.\

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well then, show where I've made the same mistakes as they've all been making by refuting my stuff?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

Thanks for linking the scripture, Jar.1. Nobody can buy or sell without a mark or number on the hand or forehead.
2. chips with marks and numbers are already being implanted in animals, et al. It will likely be a matter of time before chips will be implanted on the forehead or hand so as to prevent security breaches and identity theft which is becoming a very serious problem.
3. The beast related to the number is the ten nation/region world power confederacy of rulers as per the same beast which is explained in Revelation 17. Thus it is a government mark or number such as the government issued social security number used presently.
4. Never in the history of the world has a number or mark been required for all all nations of the world to buy or sell. Don't forget that this is global. Anti=christ simply means against christ/Jesus. Mohammed's religion is against the christ/missiah/son of God aspects of Jesus. This is anti-christ and IMO the antichrist himself will be a Muslim and possibly even Mohammed resurrected as Islam teaches will happen. This antichrist is, imo, the 2nd (2 horned) beast of Rev 13. Interestingly it says this beast will come up from the earth. Could this mean resurrection of someone who has lived. That seems to be a significant possibility, though this is hypothesis and nothing more. This is all yet unfulfilled stuff clearly assigned by scripture for the latter days of the age. We know that the US and Britian are the major power brokers calling the shots presently. The possibility for this to change is real as Islam, the fastest growing religion in the world including the US expands it's influence and power leveraged by the oil these nations sit on. Are you trying to tell me that global warming is not happening any more today than anytime else in the history of the world and that everyone claiming so are making no sense?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

Jehovah god the father makes the decision as to when his son returns. I'm sure he has good reason for doing things as he sees fit. It's useless to argue about that. Did you read the thread? I still say it's Russia and the Muslim block nations allied. They will be the invading force. Imo, the eastern forces will move in to capture the prize of world domination resulting in the enemies of Israel killing off one another as the texts state in both OT and NT. Hal Lindsey still has Russia allied with the Muslim block as the major invading force last I heard. There has been no cast change that I'm aware of. The major fundamentalist prophecy teachers included Russia then and now as well. They have all always factored in the Eastern army also. Just how the Eastern army plays out is quite vague, but scripture definitely factors them in. This is where I differ with the major prophecy teachers. Imo, Armageddon is not Megeddo. It is a descriptive term for the Valley of Jehosaphat or the valley of the brook Kedron which flows through between Jerusalem and the Mount of Olives. The prophet Zechariah bears this out and I believe Joel as well. The New Testament does not disignate where it is. Because it sounds like Megiddo, most make the mistake of thinking it is Megiddo. It's not, according to the OT. Also, the angel, when Jesus was resurrected from the Mount of Olives implied that he would return to where he went up and somewhere in the OT it is prophesied that that is where messiah's feet will light. I can find that if you want it. I've explained why I don't think the time is yet. I've made it clear that some major things need yet to happen. That's why I say the younger will be the more likely to witness it. What's wrong with that?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

I see the clear implication of a cashless society here for the latter days since it's global and the stuff is pretty much in place to impliment a cashless world today. If you see it otherwise, that's your prerrogative, but don't tell me that the implication is nonsense. Most escatology experts agree with me on this. You're the odd man out on how you interpret this prophecy.3. The beast related to the number is the ten nation/region world power confederacy of rulers as per the same beast which is explained in Revelation 17. Thus it is a government mark or number such as the government issued social security number used presently. Interesting guess and that's all it is. Nothing obvious to me. How so? Specifically why? Nothing here but yada, so no response needed. Too bad for you, Mr Professing Christian. Your loss. Rev 1:3 in your Christian book says the ones who read, hear and keep the prophecies of the book are BLESSED! You're the one who misses the blessing. I've been highly blessed and enlightened by them for over 50 years so as to know what in the world is going on, why and how it will all play out.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

I is apparant that many in this thread are assuming much about what I believe that just isn't so and lumping Buzsaw in with mainstream prophecy teachers/authors such as Hal Lindsey and Walvoord. I've submitted a satement of my belief my church et al for proposed new topics. Please read up on it before assuming any more false stuff about what Buzsaw believes. Thanks in advance for letting me be me and not having me be one of them. Edited by Buzsaw, : spelling

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

The 10 horned (666) beast is not a man. It is a world government governed by 10 men/kings having authority over all nations, tongues and tribes of the earth as per Reverlation 13, 17, 18 and Daniel 7. It is a major topic of these texts. The person/antichrist is the 2nd beast of Rev 13 who exercises all the power of the world government/beast and causes all to worship the speaking image of the world government/beast (imo, likely monitored 2 way TV, i.e. speaking image where worship/prayer to the Muslim god Allah is required as it is in many places today.)The ten horned beast government occupies seven hills/mounds/high places according to Rev 17:9 on which the harlot woman, Mystery Babylon sits. Imo since the beast government is global the 7 continents are the seven hills/high places/mounds on the planet and the one severely wounded and healed is Europe which was devistated/wounded in WWII and fully restored/healed. The city, Mystery Babylon described in 17 and 18 looks very much like Vatican City which has real estate on all continents, i.e. sits on them as per text (Neither Vatican City nor Rome, the city sits on what is known as the seven hills of Rome. Imo most prophecy teachers/preachers are wrong on this.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

I see this brief message as edifying to the thread, but would you please elaborate a tad. Thanks.

Dividing of Christians? What about coming to the knowledge of the truth? It is by dialogue that The Holy Spirit effects Christians arriving to the knowledge of truth. The old cleshe, "iron sharpens iron" comes into play here. The problem with your interpretation here is that in the times of Nero there were not ten global powers/kings calling the shots. For example, Israel was not restored as a nation, a priortity event pertaining to events of the end times. It was not global as it is today and there are no collaborating prophecy events to substantiate your interpretation of the prophecy. How about sticking to the book which gives the text from which we are to base our hypothesis if our goal is to interpret prophetic text? According to the text, Jerusalem does not fit. Please advise specifically as per text if you wish to refute. Thanks. (Perhaps this is what Percy is alluding.) As Percy seems to suggest, lets, for the purpose of this thread sticK to Biblical text. Chilton -- Schmilton. Big daddy -- big paddy. The question is what does the text say. Edited by Buzsaw, : Correct errorEdited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28