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Author Topic:   Statistical impossibility??
ikabod
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Message 9 of 47 (343509)
08-26-2006 4:46 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by CatholicBioTeacher
08-24-2006 4:10 PM


physicists have stated that it would be statisticaly impossible for all the factors that go into making a place in the universe suitable for life (as we know it)
me thinks this is the classic arse before elbow approach to statistical calulations ....
firstly i would challenge any Physisict to be able to list all the factors ...
life is a product of the universe as it IS , .. how the universe got to the way it is , why it got to the way it is , is irrelavent .."life as we know" is "life as we know" because of all the factors that go into the universe , not the the other way round ...
"life as we know" it is a concequence of the factors that are there ... if you had different factors you wouuld have "life as THEY know it" .
To say the statistical chance of this universes set of factors arrising is near impossible is meaningless .. firstly as we know it has happened , secondly it makes bad use of statistical method .
simple eg i will know show you its statistical impossible for you to reply to this post .
ok what are the statisical measures of the following :
your great great grandparents meeting marrying and producting the the line that leads to you ( AS YOU ARE ) today ... given all the possible alternative that might have happened ...WITHOUT changing any of the laws of the universe ... statistically its impossibe out of all possible alternatives for you to be you ..

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ikabod
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Message 12 of 47 (343712)
08-26-2006 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Phat
08-26-2006 9:31 AM


Re: A Mathematical Case
the problem i have with these if so -n-so was 1% different is that you can take ANY asspect of the universe and say look how we are not the same .
the chance of getting this universe my be near impossible so what its the same as getting ANY other result . maybe this universe has a finite life span , the the big bang rolls the dice and another universe pops up , given enough rolls you get one of each possible universe .
also that assume exsistance of any universe is more likely than no universe .
and we are only looking at this universe because we live in it we think its speacial .. but its not we only think it is .....
remember we are part of this universe ,we are the way we are because of the nature of the universe not the other way round .
maybe we are the only form of life the poor universe can make , where as in many others there are hyper-intelligent gasious creatures thinking "gosh im glad i dont live in a universe where SNF is 1% weaker that carbon stuff sound very nasty "

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ikabod
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Message 18 of 47 (344599)
08-29-2006 3:10 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by CatholicBioTeacher
08-28-2006 10:59 AM


Re: Overwhelmed!!
ecohing Ram and ned .. do ask , i find the massive range of answers you get here helps , i get good basic answers for the areas i have little knowledge , through to the mose detailed exacting proofs where im trying to peer deeper , of then the differing ways of expalianing help me see the ideas in ways i did not consider .
i find research is so often helped by someone confirming my thoughts , of showing me a better way of dealing with the facts .
And it is true explaing to other does help with ones own understanding , as you have tto order your thoughs to make the inteligable to others .
Also it is often the case the inocent mind askes the deeper questions , and casuse the Sage to question his wisdom .....
Make use of this place. . . . .

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