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Author Topic:   Is Hindu Marriage Moral
nator
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Message 25 of 108 (333508)
07-19-2006 7:36 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Omnivorous
07-18-2006 9:32 PM


Re: What about D-I-V-O-R-C-E?
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One also wonders why the throng is not at the gate to dissolve divorce courts
Senator Rick Santorum:
"Divorce is simply far too easy to get in this country," he writes. "States should put in braking mechanisms for couples who have children under the age of 18. This means a mandatory waiting period and mandatory counseling before a divorce is granted."

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nator
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Message 26 of 108 (333509)
07-19-2006 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Faith
07-18-2006 11:40 PM


Re: Of course it is ... just as moral as ...
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SSOoooooooooooooo clever. 20 billion cultures that have hetero marriage, one that also has homo marriage. Sure do disprove the rule.
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Religious reasons? Who said they were religious? if you are talking about gay marriage, I've argued from history, the weight of crosscultural practice over the millennia, not religion.
Also, talking about gay marriage, the only "enacting" in question is the changing of millennia of practice to accommodate something that is immoral by MOST standards of MOST cultures all the way back.
So, are you saying that because a culture, or many cultures, have maintained one aspect of that culture for a certain period of time, this means that that aspect must never, ever be allowed to change?
Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.

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nator
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Message 30 of 108 (333626)
07-20-2006 6:42 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by Faith
07-19-2006 9:14 PM


Re: Of course it is ... just as moral as ...
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Marriage is a culturally legitimizing rite. What I said was that universally, in all times and places, it has been for uniting male and female, and NOTHING you have said contradicts that definition. Even if in some extremely rare and perverse instances a culture has officially sanctioned homosexuality -- and I haven't seen this yet, only temporary arrangements and relationships -- what I said about the purpose being to unite male and female stands. It's universal. There is no exception to this. That is the purpose of marriage everywhere in all times and places.
So, are you saying that because a culture, or many cultures, have maintained one aspect of that culture for a certain period of time, this means that that aspect must never, ever be allowed to change?

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nator
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Message 44 of 108 (333802)
07-20-2006 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Faith
07-20-2006 7:03 AM


Re: Of course it is ... just as moral as ...
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I'm saying that anything as universal as marriage, understood to be the culturally legitimized uniting of male and female, expressed as such absolutely everywhere and always, should not be changed in our major modern culture just because a few small oddball depraved cultures over the last few millennia have sort of/kind of/maybe/almost married homosexuals.
OK, that's your personal, religious opinion about what should or shouldn't be done, but that has nothing to do with the "cultures haven't recognized it in the past, therefore no culture ever should now or in the future" argument of yours.
You were arguing that the fact that a certain aspect of a culture was a certain way for a long time was reason enough to preserve that aspect. That is not a valid reason.

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