Sinning? In your dreams...

yes, yes....

Yes, because it is based on the information at hand and subject to re-evaluation. This is not the case: you have stated several times that you KNOW your conclusions to be correct, in the same way that you KNOW yourself.ABE: yes thats me making the kissy face.Edited by Larni, : ID

Not quite accurate. For example, I know God exists (not that that is a conclusion in the usual sense of the word). I believe the Exodus happened because it is consistant with the general tenet of the Bible - this I have concluded. I know salvation is by faith alone. I believe Adam and Eve were real people (for the sake reason as I believe the Exodus happened). Etc, etc... {AbE} er...your both making kissy faces. I take it you are the bloke. You have all the finesse of a bloke. This I concludeEdited by iano, : No reason given.Edited by iano, : No reason given.

Then can I conlude that your obvious finesse dictates that you are a lady? Anyway the topic is you having a dream and worrying that you have sinned not more of the same duck and weave nonsense.The answer to that is no, you have not sin because it was a hypnopompic hallucination. Dreams and such are images generated inside the visual cortex put into some narative context milliseconds after experience.After watching an episode of Friends where Joey was in a porno, I dreamt that I was in one too, this very night. It took place in a field behind a church I used to live near which had lions climbing all over it.I then had to explain this to my partner who turned into my mum. The locale news paper was there as was Lea of off Big Brother.Dreams are bizarre, hypnopompic hallucination are more so. Don't read anything into them.I do have the finesse of a bloke.

Nah mate. Have just gotten used to knowing how to treat them one answers questions when another brings them up. Why is there so much interest in interpreting the meaning of them if there is no meaning in them? Your faith in science to provide such certain answers in the face of evidence against is evidence of your faith. Welcome to the party

Your kidding me?!Edited by iano, : No reason given.Edited by iano, : remove superfluous bad language

Would you say the same for reading tea leaves, astrology, palm reading, tarot?Of course not. It is bunk.If dream mean something then you ARE a sinner.Why do xians always state over and over again that people are inherently bad? Do you hate yourself?

No kidding, just goes to show that dreams mean nothing except stuff you remember comimg to light in a random way and then being put together by a brain that strives to put things into a coherent pattern.Thats part of what our brains do. It's not good or bad, it just is. Lable it as sin or what have you if YOU must. Beat yourself up if YOU must but do not imply that other people should believe it.

The interest of science in dreams give lie to the comparision. We don't have to accept sciences conclusions per se but that dreams sit in a league apart from the above should be apparent I don't need dreams to know that about myself (another one for the know/belief files) Because it isa) perfectly consistant with the tenets of the Bible doctrineb) perfectly obvious to the dog in the street were you to sit back and consider it for a momentDo I hate myself? I wouldn't put it in that precise same way but I didn't like myself very much before I was forgiven. Now I don't dislike myself at all - except of course when I chose to sin. (and thats more disliking what I allow myself to do than disliking my self)Edited by iano, : No reason given.

Irrespective of your take on it, it is the case that your dream is literally oozing core Christian theology. Oozing at the pores in fact

The interest of science is what dreams are not what they symbolize. Freud was into symbolism and he was not doing science. Then your OP is a moot point. It does not matter whether you sinned by having a dream. You're a sinner any way. I will take your word that this is true. Bullshit. One needs the bible to point out that one is a sinner.

This I do not understand.

What about Jung? What about psychology?

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Jung's unique and broadly influential approach to psychology emphasized understanding the psyche through exploring the worlds of dreams, art, mythology, world religion and philosophy.

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For one how has some interest in "putting to death the deeds of the flesh", the ways in which sin finds entry is of interest. A sinner can sin more or he can sin less. I know which one I'd prefer - I think He would agree with me Thank you Theologically speaking, one needs the Holy Spirit who is sent to "convict the world of sin and of righteousness and of judgement". This does involve the Bible, granted. Edited by iano, : No reason given.

Not in your conscious EvC-speak mind, I agree. But in your dream state (subconscious?), deep aspects of Christian theology are revealed. And if the dream was a product of your own mind (which I take to be your position) then your subconcious has soaked up a lot more Christian theology than your conscious mind recognises.

Old hat nonsense no longer taught in Psychology. Good only to look at where psychology came from but out side of analytical therapy (very poor evidence base for efficacy) we don't use his ideas today.Psychology is an experimental science! Then he can sin zero. Then we agree that 2) is false?