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nator
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Message 1 of 17 (31087)
02-02-2003 8:43 PM


Didn't eant this to get lost since the meandering thread was lost, so I am reposting here.
Allison wrote: Hell, Dick Nixon would have had to be a Democrat if he was alive today because he would have been way to "liberal" on the environment.
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I'm not sure what you mean by this.
You aren't sure what I mean??
Nixon created the Environmental Protection Agency!
He also created the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), and the Consumer Product Safety Commission.
He was also the first president to require strict quotas for minorities for federal construction projects.
He also made an anti-ballistic missle treaty with the Soviet Union.
Compared to the Republicans today, Ol' Dick Nixon sounds like a regular left-wing Socialist, doesn't he?
He created government agencies to protect the environment, worker safety, and consumer safety. All of these programs primarily benefit individual citizens and make things more difficult for business.
Nixon was considered a pretty conservative Republican in his day, yet look at what he did? Seems like "conservative Republican" means something very different today.
THIS is why I say that there is no meaningful "left" voice in this country today. Most Democrats are centrist and most Republicans are pretty far-Right.
The idea that the mainstream media does anything but go along to get along is silly. They do what they can to MAKE MONEY, and tends to make them be more about feel-good entertainment than in challenging the status quo or doing any real investigative journalism.
[This message has been edited by schrafinator, 02-02-2003]

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nator
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Message 3 of 17 (31143)
02-03-2003 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by jdean33442
02-03-2003 1:55 AM


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The head of the EPA disagrees with you. Here is his own words:
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He created EPA for much the same reason Reagan invited me to return to the agency in 1983: because of public outrage about what was happening to the environment. Not because Nixon shared that concern, but because he didn't have any choice.
Regardless, he still created the EPA, just like I said he did.
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OSHA was created under the Occupational Safety and Health Act, a bipartisan measure enacted on Dec. 29, 1970, and signed by President Richard M. Nixon. How did Nixon "create" OSHA?
He made it happen. Can you see any Republican president signing a big government program like that into existence today?
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Allison wrote: He was also the first president to require strict quotas for minorities for federal construction projects.
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Why are you citing this? I suppose the entire right wing is rascist?
No, I am citing it to show that, even though he was considered a conservative Republican in his day, no one calling themselves a conservative Republican TODAY would ever do such a thing, thus demonstrating the shift to the right in recent years of conservative Republicans.
I really wish you would pay attention.
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Johnson proposed the idea, not Nixon. The Soviets got scared and decided to talk after, and only after, Nixon announced the Safeguard system.
My point was, and is, as I stated above, that a conservative Republican these days would probably not be signing any anti-missile treaties with anybody.
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We are a nation based on capitalism.
Agreed. I think capitalism is great, but it has it's flaws and needs to be regulated so the haves cannot completely stomp all over the have-nots.
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What did you expect? Journalism is reporting facts, not challenging whatever is popular. Your romantic view of journalism is naive.
Actually, if you knew anything of investigative journalism from as little as 50 years ago, you would know that it took it's mandate to challenge the status quo and investigate the powers that be very seriously.
A free and inquisitive press/media is extremely important in a free society. When money becomes more important to those agencies than informing the public, and they become big business, the public's access to unbiased reporting is compromised. These days, networks are quite beholden to their advertisers, so how much in-depth investigative journalism do you think is done regarding their corporate sponsors? A great deal of self-censoring goes on that didn't used to back when Cronkite was criticizing the wisdom of the Vietnam war on the evening news, and anti-war protests made it on to the news. Today, you will not hear one critical voice about this impending confrontation with Iraq, nor will you see much coverage of any of the protests and marches that have happened.
The number of independent news sources has been reduced drastically by huge mergers brought about by deregulation. On the other hand, the internet has opened up the world to all sorts of news that the big business networks don't report for fear of losing their advertisers or friends in government.
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Do me a favor and forward this post to whatever left wing propaganda rag that spoonfed you this bunk information in hope they will revise their "facts" to reflect the truth.
Personal attack, devoid of any content.
Point for me.
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Are you going to tell me Reagan was a Communist spy next?
Are you going to go to some anger-management classes next?

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nator
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Message 6 of 17 (31236)
02-04-2003 9:27 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by jdean33442
02-03-2003 6:21 PM


I can see that you aren't interested in serious discussion, but are only interested in disageement for disagreement's sake.
I tried to engage in civil debate with you, jdean, but I don't think you are interested in that.
I will not be responding to your posts any more.
Happy now? Nobody wants to play with you.

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nator
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Message 8 of 17 (31270)
02-04-2003 11:06 AM
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02-04-2003 10:49 AM


Are you going to respond to my Nixon post or not?

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nator
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Message 14 of 17 (31442)
02-05-2003 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Satcomm
02-04-2003 11:32 AM


I only persued this to make my point, which you seem to contest, that the "left", which you and other conservatives tend to blame for everything in this country, doesn't really exist. At least, it is in no position of power or influence, so what goes on that is not to your liking is not the nonexistent left's fault.

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nator
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Message 16 of 17 (31995)
02-11-2003 10:10 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Satcomm
02-05-2003 3:32 PM


Like I said, What "rampant liberalism?"
Where are these swelling numbers of organized left-wingers, poised to take over the country and turn it into a giant commune?
The country is full of right-leaning and centrist capitalists that are more conservative than ever.
As for groups avoiding personal responsibility, you only have to look for the behavior of those large corporations (which are not really liberal, I don't think) to show where the country is going.
Greed and power will let people forget about being responsible if they think that they can get away with it.
Let's not forget the leader of the Republican Revolution, Newt Gingerich, who took divorce papers to his wife while she was undergoing cancer treatment in a hospital, and who got caught making some rather shady money while in office.
And our illustrious president, who was a alcoholic frat boy for half his life and who ran a couple of businesses into the ground before sobering up just in time to be installed in the highest office of the land.
So, you see you can't blame the lack of responsible behavior purely on the (hard to find) "liberals".

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