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Author Topic:   Has the Theory of Evolution benefited mankind?
2ice_baked_taters
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Message 87 of 104 (306621)
04-26-2006 2:42 AM


I have often asked myself this question. Indeed...beyond the fact that it is an interesting idea....ok..this was facinating....so now what?
Long before the theory of evolution, man manipulated plant and animal species. Can we say that it would not have been possible to realise many of todays practicle applications of examples cited without this concept? I think it likely that the theory unified ideas and in that sense it was able to inspire more people to want to know more.
As to evolution on an historic scale I believe it would be accurate to say that ToE has given us a basic framework to explain how "a" likely arose from "b" in a biologically mechanical sense. Can we say anything beyond that?
It has fallen prey to some who use it to attempt to advance thier beliefs but we do that with any concept of this nature.

  
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Message 93 of 104 (307630)
04-29-2006 12:31 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by Wepwawet
04-28-2006 8:29 PM


There's an old saying: Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see...that's science in a nutshell. Science is not about someone preaching the truth to us, it is about enabling all of us to go look for the truth ourselves. Science takes our flawed perception of reality and turns it into a blessing by continuously challenging us and letting nothing stand as unassailable truth merely because the majority believe it to be so.
I would like you tuh 'splain sumpin to me as you see it. Exactly what is the nature of any truth science might have to offer? Exactly what do you mean by truth? I think a far better term to use with science is accuracy not truth. As big a follower as I am of the sciences in general I sometimes think that it is science that gives us a flawed or limited perception. Skewed if you will. Kinda like to much of a good thing does not a good thing make.

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2ice_baked_taters
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Message 96 of 104 (309985)
05-07-2006 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Wepwawet
04-29-2006 5:59 AM


The point is the nature of your intentions with respect to the words you use.
Science lets us look for the closest thing to truth we can know.
Exactly what truth are you reffering to? You need to be more specific.
There is no ultimate destination there, we will never discover the truth qua truth (henceforth known as The Truth(tm)) using the scientific or any other method. What we can do is make progress towards discovering practical understanding of our universe and ourselves. We do not have to know The Truth(tm) in order to make the world a better place. We just need to know something close enough to it to let us get the job done.
I am happy for you that your beliefs allow you all the confidence in science a good follower of faith typically exhibits when discussing thier beliefs. However, I do not share your view.
The search for The Truth(tm) does not have to actually succeed in discovering The Truth(tm) in order to benefit mankind. I do not speak for the institution of science and I make no claims that science will ultimately discover the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything. What science will do is allow us to test and improve our current understanding and improve the quality of the truth (note the absence of the capitals, bold, italics and (tm)) that we can know.
1). Any observation of what is beneficial to mankind is purely subjective.
2.) Any quality of truth is a subjective observation of the objectively abstract idea "truth"
Science can never be apart from the subjective. It is where it originates from.

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2ice_baked_taters
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Message 102 of 104 (322791)
06-18-2006 2:40 AM
Reply to: Message 97 by ReverendDG
05-07-2006 8:40 PM


i think you are just saying things without knowing what they mean, do you even know what the words mean?
I will ignore this comment other than to comment on it's childishness.
science is by defintion objective, if it was subjective it would be useless since no one could understand apart from the person presenting it
People by definition are not objective.
The idealistic view of science may in theory be objective. In practice subjective views are allways the source. This is a no brainer. All people can to at best is find answers within the current limit of our subjectively scewed understanding. This makes the philosophy of science as inherently falible as it's weakest link.
i guess accepting science for the benefits of man and the world it has produced is meaningless to you? i mean i figure thats why he accepts it, not because of some faith in it. but that it works, which is why most people accept it
No, on the contrary. Exactly what is beneficial and what is not is subjective as the motivations for what is discovered. A cure for a disease increases the population. Now there are fools that wish to cure death. Many things that are seen as "benefits" have concequences.
We as a whole always leap before we look. It is a reoccuring human trait. A Fact or Truth if you will. The earth is a system that we are a part of. We seem as a whole to continually miss that fact or truth.

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2ice_baked_taters
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Message 104 of 104 (324746)
06-22-2006 6:06 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by RickJB
06-18-2006 2:53 AM


My simple point is this.
The observation of the development of systematic biological chemical reactions on this planet is interesting. To assume knowledge of the function of imagined behaviours and thier effects is simply that. Imagination. Fossil evidence shows little of behaviour.
EVO works when it sticks to the biological mechanics.Outside that it becomes conjecture.

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