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Topic: Why am I me?
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Message 31 of 47 (304830)
04-17-2006 8:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 29 by nator
04-17-2006 7:35 PM
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Re: When Harry met Sally cafeteria scene
... do men really want the truth from women? Anyone can fake it. The question is to what end? In a caring relationship the only one short-changed is the faker. In a non-caring relationship it's all an act. That's my take. My favorite line was "I'll have what she's having" ...
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MangyTiger
Member (Idle past 6384 days) Posts: 989 From: Leicester, UK Joined: 07-30-2004
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Message 32 of 47 (304831)
04-17-2006 8:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 29 by nator
04-17-2006 7:35 PM
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Re: When Harry met Sally cafeteria scene
Ah, but in the this particular situation (faking) under discussion, do men really want the truth from women?  Why would we care as long we're getting sex? BTW, did you know the older customer in that scene ("I'll have what she's having") is the mother of the director? You have to wonder about that family!
I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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wiring
I wanna have one of those orgasms that my girlfriend has ... Ever read the kama sutra?  There are techniques a couple can learn to substantially augment the results for both parties. The orgasm is the result of neural stimulation, and the wiring in the brain is very similar (some sexual differences exist) with much variation between individuals on sensitivity. And of course it is fun to experiment. Given that we just had the big pagan fertility goddess holiday (Eoster) it is even appropriate...
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Message 34 of 47 (304836)
04-17-2006 8:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by cavediver
04-17-2006 12:12 PM
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Hang on, what's this scar...? Cue the X-Files theme ... Seriously, I had {wondered\pondered\fantasized} about getting 'wired' to experience the nerve sensations of another person and how that could then fit into "reality" games and virtual worlds. You could 'become' a different person that you designed for a virtual existence and have the neural sensations to match the actions. There are some crude attempts in this direction already btw. Be careful of those neoprene suits with extra wires eh? Enjoy.
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Omnivorous
Member Posts: 3992 From: Adirondackia Joined: 07-21-2005 Member Rating: 7.5
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Message 35 of 47 (304837)
04-17-2006 8:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 29 by nator
04-17-2006 7:35 PM
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Re: When Harry met Sally cafeteria scene
Do men really want the truth from women? No more than women want the truth from men when they ask, "Really, though, does this make my butt look big?"
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nator
Member (Idle past 2201 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Re: When Harry met Sally cafeteria scene
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Why would we care as long we're getting sex?
How inadequate a man would feel if he can't bring a woman to, well, her happy place. Being entirely selfish during sex leads to bad sex. But I don't get why any woman worth her chromosomes would EVER fake it. A lie about this, of all things, just can't be worth it.
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BTW, did you know the older customer in that scene ("I'll have what she's having") is the mother of the director? You have to wonder about that family!
I did know that. Too funny.
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nator
Member (Idle past 2201 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Re: When Harry met Sally cafeteria scene
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No more than women want the truth from men when they ask, "Really, though, does this make my butt look big?"
LOL! Only if it's their gay friend.
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MangyTiger
Member (Idle past 6384 days) Posts: 989 From: Leicester, UK Joined: 07-30-2004
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Message 38 of 47 (304841)
04-17-2006 9:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 36 by nator
04-17-2006 8:42 PM
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Re: When Harry met Sally cafeteria scene
How inadequate a man would feel if he can't bring a woman to, well, her happy place. Being entirely selfish during sex leads to bad sex. I was having a conversation with my nephew about this in the pub a while ago (I'm in my late 40s he's in his mid 20s). We came to the conclusion that for men - especially young men (which I can almost remember being  ) - there is no such thing as bad sex. When it's good it's very very good, when it's bad - well it's still pretty good from the male perspective to be honest. Of course, that could have been the fifth or sixth pint talking! I mean there are, supposedly, guys who'll use a knot hole in a piece of wood if it comes to it.
I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 39 of 47 (304851)
04-17-2006 10:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 29 by nator
04-17-2006 7:35 PM
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look at all the men jumping in on this one
Ah, but in the this particular situation (faking) under discussion, do men really want the truth from women? I do. reminds me of a joke... How can you tell if a woman had an orgasm...
who cares? How inadequate a man would feel if he can't bring a woman to, well, her happy place. Being entirely selfish during sex leads to bad sex. word.
But I don't get why any woman worth her chromosomes would EVER fake it. So the guy doesn't feel inadequate, duh.
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Message 40 of 47 (304853)
04-17-2006 10:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 33 by RAZD
04-17-2006 8:16 PM
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Re: wiring
Ever read the kama sutra? I thumbed through it but no, I haven't read it.
There are techniques a couple can learn to substantially augment the results for both parties. I've heard there's drugs you can take too.
The orgasm is the result of neural stimulation, so can you bypass the genital stimulation?
with much variation between individuals on sensitivity. I've noticed.
And of course it is fun to experiment. Given that we just had the big pagan fertility goddess holiday (Eoster) it is even appropriate... My legs are killing me.
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New Cat's Eye
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MangyTiger writes: - there is no such thing as bad sex. When it's good it's very very good, when it's bad - well it's still pretty good from the male perspective to be honest. True. But for women, there's a much bigger difference. The very very good is better and the bad is worse. Unless, of course, we bring up blue balls.
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sidelined
Member (Idle past 5939 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: 08-30-2003
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Message 42 of 47 (304878)
04-18-2006 2:08 AM
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Reply to: Message 8 by cavediver
04-17-2006 1:20 PM
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Re: Swap meet
cavediver
I'm abusing this notion as I am considering a homunculus that has no memory, control, emotions, etc. It just provides awareness. You could just call it awareness if you like. But is awareness not a function of our memory and emotions? If we lacked emotions or memory what would be our level of awareness?
We usually assume that self-awareness develops as a side-effect of advanced brain-function but I've never been too convinced... Hang on here cavediver. Why would we assume self awareness is a side effect of advanced brain function? Are we self aware when we are asleep?
If I built a perfect robotic replica me that was psychologically indistinguishable, would it necessarily have awareness? Is this not along the lines of the Turing test? If you wished to ascertain that I was self aware what criteria would you employ?
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nator
Member (Idle past 2201 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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bad sex
quote:
We came to the conclusion that for men - especially young men (which I can almost remember being ) - there is no such thing as bad sex. When it's good it's very very good, when it's bad - well it's still pretty good from the male perspective to be honest. Of course, that could have been the fifth or sixth pint talking!
Is that prehaps because, from the male perspective, they are mainly concerned with their own pleasure and not their partner's? Because judging sex to be good or bad, to me, comprises how both how I feel AND how my partner feels. This message has been edited by schrafinator, 04-19-2006 08:06 AM
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MangyTiger
Member (Idle past 6384 days) Posts: 989 From: Leicester, UK Joined: 07-30-2004
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Message 44 of 47 (305356)
04-19-2006 8:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 43 by nator
04-19-2006 8:04 AM
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Re: bad sex
Is that prehaps because, from the male perspective, they are mainly concerned with their own pleasure and not their partner's? It's an interesting question. I sometimes wonder if the male attitude is driven by the evolutionary need to mate as much as possible to pass on your genetic material. If there is some truth in that I suspect we males have a degree of potential competion between the basic drive to copulate and the perhaps more social trait to be more 'caring and sharing'. Of course I can't back any of this up with any evidence 
Never put off until tomorrow what you can put off until the day after
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robinrohan
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Re: bad sex
I sometimes wonder if the male attitude is driven by the evolutionary need to mate as much as possible to pass on your genetic material. I think all it is a stereotype myself. Of course a male wants his partner to be pleased.
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