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Author Topic:   Why does the USA have so many people in jail?
macaroniandcheese 
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Message 69 of 129 (302906)
04-10-2006 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by ThingsChange
04-10-2006 10:55 AM


Re: myths about illegal aliens
Let the market dictate what people are willing to pay for labor and for the fruit. That model worked fine until Kennedy, Clinton and Bushes let the floodgates stay open.
I suggest that you get out the midwest and move to the border states to get an "appreciation of the situation".
P.S. If we eliminate all the farm subsidies, maybe the demand for farm laborers would decrease. Do you support the elimination of this corporate welfare, too?
i live in a border state and i think you're right mad.
i have done migrant farm work. americans are too worried about their manicures. they wouldn't do this crap if you paid them $20 an hour. i've done it. it's balls hard. i might do it again if you paid me $20 but i'm crazy.
It is one reason, yes. That is part of the "opportunity". Any why is the medical system price-gouging as you say? Maybe it's because of so many free services they obligated to pay. These free health services, which you are so denying and igorant of, are a FACT. The illegals do not need insurance, because they just show up at the emergency hospitals and clinics where by law they must be helped.
oh yes the poor doctors who might starve because occasionally the hospital has to provide a 10 cent tylenol or a 50 cent saline iv drip to some bastard immigrant who can't pay the 3000 dollars they charge for an er visit. gimme a break.
It's not just "potential", it is reality. Fraud is already occurring with fake records of all sorts. And if that is not enough, there is an entry-level method to getting started in America.
Do you know what a "Matricula" card is?
It is a Mexican invention of an ID card for illegals in America to circumvent the IDs cards (like drivers license) of America. The Hispanic lobbyists have done a good job of getting local governments to increasingly accept these cards for services.
yes the mexicans are conspiring to break us. it's not our war spending that's making us poor, it's the mexicans. WAR ON MEXICO!
Consider the long term effects. If you grant this amnesty program, the invasion will not stop and actually even more will come. This will create an overabundance of a poverty class with a different language and culture that will inevitably lead to more problems in the future.
bush's economic policies are doing enough of that with plain old americans. not to mention what we're all doing to the black ghettos. we already have a growing poverty class and most of them don't speak proper english anyways. and the way you talk, we can't possibly go much further, because there's only about 3 mexicans still in mexico anyways. you want long term effects? how about we invest in the infrastructure of mexico so it's not such a godawful hellhole they want to escape so badly. that will give REAL long term effects. but noooo we can't give our almighty dollar to someone else. we have to pay for poor stupid upper class americans' tax cuts so they can bitch about having to hear someone speaking in a language they can't understand.
That builds THEIR country?? Throw money at the problem?
If that is not your solution, then offer one.
that's my solution. and it seems smarter than yours. oh sure. we could lock them out. hell. we should shoot every hispanic we see because they might be illegal. how about all the jews that are sending money back to israel? can we shoot them too? and the asians sending money back to the children they can't afford to bring over? and the africans who left their mothers in squallor so they could hope to build something they could bring them to?
but this is not going to make it better. they'll beat down every wall you put up for them until you make every developing country liveable. that's the problem here. americans are killing themselves in their excess while most of the world is starving to death. in developing countries, they're making war over false distinctions in society so that they can maintain enough resources for one side or the other. rich people in america get aids or tb and it all but goes away. poor people get it in africa or asia or wherever and they drop like flies. and we're worried about someone telling our big pharmaceutical companies that they have to give away their product and in so doing lose their profits and omg maybe they will only have 50 billion instead of 100 billion to share with their fatcat stockholders.
60% of americans are overweight. i think it was 30% that are obese. we have way too much money and way too much food and all we do is bitch about who is coming in to our country to steal our tax dollars to feed their starving families. unbelievable.

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Message 73 of 129 (302998)
04-10-2006 5:47 PM
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04-10-2006 4:06 PM


Re: let's trade liberals for illegal aliens
if their crimes aresomething other than being illegal, why are they in our jails in the first place?
of course, sending them back would defeat my plan of foreign development; so perhaps we should keep them and count it as a loan to the respective foreign government which we collect when it has reached economic stability.
and i'm not a communist. just a socialist. and hardly.
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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 79 of 129 (303176)
04-11-2006 11:00 AM
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04-11-2006 10:07 AM


Re: illegals crimes that put them in prisons
Citing an Urban Institute study, director of research for the Center for Immigration Studies Steven Camorata noted in 2004: "Roughly 17 percent of the prison population at the federal level are illegal aliens. That's a huge number since illegal aliens only account for about 3 percent of the total population."
that's okay. the cia factbook lists the black population as 12.9%. but they make up 40% of our jails. is this because they're evil? should we send all blacks to liberia? or maybe just the criminals?
i was watching the bullshit episode on prostitution last night. they made an important point. prostitution is a dangerous and violent job because it's illegal. because they're afraid of getting caught, prostitutes can't call the cops if they get beaten up or raped or shot. i imagine it's the same with illegals. so they make their own law. and then they get caught.
abe:
According to the National Center for Immigration Law, one in ten U.S. soliders who have DIED in Iraq have been immigrants. Five percent of those serving in our military are illegal immigrants.
The first soldier to die for the United States in the current war in Iraq was Marine Lance Cpl. Jose Gutierrez, an illegal immigrant from Guatemala.
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Message 82 of 129 (303183)
04-11-2006 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by ThingsChange
04-11-2006 11:13 AM


Re: illegals crimes that put them in prisons
I just said "illegal aliens". That could mean any race.
You are the one bringing race into the picture, when that is not the issue at all.
I suspect most black prisoners are citizens of USA and therefore have those rights that illegals have not earned.
and our citizens earned this right by what exactly? you were lucky enough to be squirted out of some broad that lived here. these people came here through great travail and have made a life from nothing. you (since you obviously have internet) were born with a silver spoon in comparison. i just thought i'd counter your ridiculous statistic with one equally meaningless. i notice you ignored the idea that maybe our police aren't able or interested in protecting these people.
Based on your avatar, you seem to want to bend over backwards to help illegal aliens from south of the border. So, if 450,000 cross the Mexican border into USA illegally, then should we allow the same number from each of India, China, Africa, Cuba, etc.?
i'd bend over backwards to make anyone's life better. i was lucky enough to be born into favourable situations. but i'd rather improve the situation in mexico. but instead of seeing that, conservatives just want to shove developing countries into a box, shut the lid, and ignore it. oh yeah, and call me a communist because i take the time to care about another person who can't give me money.
abe:
please reply here
immigrants thread
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Message 83 of 129 (303187)
04-11-2006 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by roxrkool
04-11-2006 11:12 AM


Re: illegals crimes that put them in prisons
404
there's a link to a story on gutierrez.
the only source i can find (with much unaimed googling) is alisavaldesrodriguez.blogspot.com
i will look for more...
npr.
Non-Citizen Soldiers
american immigration law foundation
Immigrants Fight for an Adopted Homeland
i tried looking at the dod site but yeah... i gotta go to work.
***OFF TOPIC***
please reply at the immigration thread
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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 91 of 129 (303274)
04-11-2006 3:46 PM
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04-11-2006 12:15 PM


Re: illegals crimes that put them in prisons
Your angry-filled ranting and raving seems to indicate (although not stated explicitly by you) that you resent Americans having so much money, and that is not fair, and it should be taken from us and given to the billions of poor folks around the world.
of all the people who should be complaining about americans not having so much money... i live on 800 a month. that's it. so many people in this world live on more like 80 a month. i don't resent americans having money. i resent americans being selfish and WASTING the money they have. our government taxes us. our government runs on those taxes. somehow, 40% of our budget goes to defense. we're afraid of governments who spend 4% on their military. how could we possibly waste that much money. we have the highest gdp in the world and i'd assume the largest budget. holy crap.
anyways. so part of our government spending goes to foreign aid projects right? what i'm suggesting is we waste less time and money on walls between us and mexico and more money and time building up mexico's infrastructure.
the idea is not to give people money. the idea is to provide the institutions that allow people to make their own money. people want to work. but they can't work when there's so much government corruption and so little infrastructure.
you are jumping to false conclusions... typical
no i'm not. you haven't suggested one solution besides 'kick out the illegals'.
therefore, you have demonstrated that your interest is in putting a lid on the problem and ignoring it.
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Message 107 of 129 (303903)
04-13-2006 12:04 PM
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04-13-2006 6:44 AM


Re: The Department of Corrections is a business
sorry. i got confused as to which thread i was in since i opened the immigration thread.

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