Brad McFall has given the game away

It, I think the "point" is that one can not go to a web site and view a EXCEL spread sheet that shows the actual biometry of the biological change proposed for reproductive isolation for any taxon execpt perhaps in the specialists WORKING DATA BASE. The point is if evolution were known to occur in ONE way it would be taught monophyletically but because there are differnt kinds there may be different ways the bio-change occurs. You two are simply talking past each other.
For instance from a slightly different angle one might READ "accumulation of microevolutionary change over time" as biochange after the kind; in which case ecological speciation could be a subset if objected for the taxa underconsideration.I, in particular was very intent on determing modes of speciation in salamanders but because of failure to find evolutionary biologists in accord about data collection to even address speciation issues it was impossible EVEN knowing as much as any body on salamanders. Bishop was from Rochester NY and I read this book as 9 year old in my grandfather basement in Fredonia NY and decided there and then on catching a Spring Salamander that I could uNDerstand the salamanders of NY and NJ and yet the OBSERVATIONS that Bishop cites I was not able to use at the elite CORNELL because they were only arguing the most elite aspects of the theory. I had "seen" in nature what WAS called in the literature "concerted evolution" but once I was trying to explain what I understood by this evolution in detail each and every biologist wanted there own say just like much of what goes on on this board. I wish we could all learn to get out of the way and let the evidence dictate interaction but I even find that I am talking past people too."good emprical evidence" and "accumulation of"'evidence' are not the same thing even if the contexts are the same. Obviously it can not be that the contents actually differ. There may be learning to be done by posters and it is always my intent to be here to learn so in good faith some better communication (should) be possible. I dont see how "divergent natural selection on traits" is a single thought