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Tranquility Base
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Message 1 of 8 (29221)
01-15-2003 7:57 PM


I just caught Brad putting a 3 paragraph post together COMPLETELY understandably!!
http://EvC Forum: Irreduceable Complexity -->EvC Forum: Irreduceable Complexity
It, I think the "point" is that one can not go to a web site and view a EXCEL spread sheet that shows the actual biometry of the biological change proposed for reproductive isolation for any taxon execpt perhaps in the specialists WORKING DATA BASE. The point is if evolution were known to occur in ONE way it would be taught monophyletically but because there are differnt kinds there may be different ways the bio-change occurs. You two are simply talking past each other.
For instance from a slightly different angle one might READ "accumulation of microevolutionary change over time" as biochange after the kind; in which case ecological speciation could be a subset if objected for the taxa underconsideration.
I, in particular was very intent on determing modes of speciation in salamanders but because of failure to find evolutionary biologists in accord about data collection to even address speciation issues it was impossible EVEN knowing as much as any body on salamanders. Bishop was from Rochester NY and I read this book as 9 year old in my grandfather basement in Fredonia NY and decided there and then on catching a Spring Salamander that I could uNDerstand the salamanders of NY and NJ and yet the OBSERVATIONS that Bishop cites I was not able to use at the elite CORNELL because they were only arguing the most elite aspects of the theory. I had "seen" in nature what WAS called in the literature "concerted evolution" but once I was trying to explain what I understood by this evolution in detail each and every biologist wanted there own say just like much of what goes on on this board. I wish we could all learn to get out of the way and let the evidence dictate interaction but I even find that I am talking past people too.
"good emprical evidence" and "accumulation of"'evidence' are not the same thing even if the contexts are the same. Obviously it can not be that the contents actually differ. There may be learning to be done by posters and it is always my intent to be here to learn so in good faith some better communication (should) be possible. I dont see how "divergent natural selection on traits" is a single thought
This is the real Brad McFall.
Welcome to the forum Brad.

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wj
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Message 2 of 8 (29226)
01-15-2003 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Tranquility Base
01-15-2003 7:57 PM


Yes, Brad seems to have given away his postmodernist word generator and taken to scrambling words and sentences manually.

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Brad McFall
Member (Idle past 5032 days)
Posts: 3428
From: Ithaca,NY, USA
Joined: 12-20-2001


Message 3 of 8 (29227)
01-15-2003 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Tranquility Base
01-15-2003 7:57 PM


Thnaks for noticing. I am about to make a move back to school but because of the illegal actions of Cornell in this case (so-called disciplinary dismissal which was due to a state I was never a part of acting on Christmas study break) I may be prevented by dismissal after I attempted to do the advice (wrong) given me there. I did not violate any disciplinary rules but attempted to explain to the administration how my understanding and a pheneticists were in HISOTORICaL tension. The adminstration defaulted than learn it and not the student or the professor made mistakes. The trasfer to Fredonia where there are still faculty in BIOLOGY my Grandfather hired may go thru, finger crossed, nonetheless. I simply doubted that if (legal theory) this came to a religious discrimination lawsuit that the STATE OF NY SUNY would rather NOT fall in line behind the PRIVATE COLLEGE OF ARTS AND SCIENCES CORNELL- college scholar program which gave me MORE freedom than I now need a BS in recombinant DNA technology. I think I got my answer but if the transfer will not work this is really a mess more than speciation is. Why I should rather go to STONY BROOK or have accepted the scholarship at Binghmaton I got for all the attempts at returning to Cornell I tried.

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Tranquility Base
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Message 4 of 8 (29234)
01-15-2003 10:47 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Brad McFall
01-15-2003 9:15 PM


^ Was that for old times sake?

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Brad McFall
Member (Idle past 5032 days)
Posts: 3428
From: Ithaca,NY, USA
Joined: 12-20-2001


Message 5 of 8 (29235)
01-15-2003 10:49 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Tranquility Base
01-15-2003 10:47 PM


Yeah, why not?\/. I'll go brew another pot not the cartoon.

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Satcomm
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Message 6 of 8 (29262)
01-16-2003 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Tranquility Base
01-15-2003 7:57 PM


LOL.
Actually I understand many of Brad's posts and find them very entertaining to read. The sentence structure is lacking, but I think he gets the general point across.
As for the obscure references, I usually skip over them or research them at my leisure. The former is more commonly so.
I don't remember who mentioned this originally, but I've found reading his posts in Yoda's voice helps too.
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mark24
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Message 7 of 8 (29263)
01-16-2003 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Satcomm
01-16-2003 11:27 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Satcomm:
LOL.
Actually I understand many of Brad's posts and find them very entertaining to read. The sentence structure is lacking, but I think he gets the general point across.

You have bigger lungs than me, I run out of breath & keel over.
Mark

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Brad McFall
Member (Idle past 5032 days)
Posts: 3428
From: Ithaca,NY, USA
Joined: 12-20-2001


Message 8 of 8 (29285)
01-16-2003 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by mark24
01-16-2003 11:36 AM


Does anyone want to take bets on if I will have to take an ENGLISH class or two as prerequiste to matriculation aT SUNY FREDONIA assuming the admission happens? Probably you are correct, just getting to the point is not enough for anything but the web.

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