[I moved this response so as to "reply" to Ahmad, & not edge]
Ahmad,
Regarding IC:
I’m claiming victory, as I said I would in the last post if you yet again failed to produce positive evidence to back up your claim.
I have asked & asked & asked for this positive evidence that IC cannot evolve. You have provided nothing of the kind. Your argument seems to be that I have to show otherwise, or you’re right. I don’t, & you’re not. It’s your claim, I’m not making one. If
you can’t provide positive evidence to back that claim up, then you have an argument from incredulity, like I said all along.
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This was the first mention of IC in this thread, & YOU claim it refutes evolution.
quote:
We have observed the irreducible complexity in numerous organelles of living organisms (eg - bacterial flagellum, ATP synthase molecule, proteins etc)which refutes evolution
All subsequent discussion has been about asking you to back up that claim that IC can’t evolve, & that IC does, in fact, refute evolution. If you can’t show that IC can’t evolve, you don’t have an argument.
Read & reread this next paragraph until you understand it:
You have no positive evidence that IC systems cannot evolve. Therefore, the irreducible complexity argument is moot. A non-sequitur. Without positive evidence, you cannot make a positive assertion.
OK so far?
I have never claimed that IC systems evolved. There is only one person making a positive assertion regarding IC, & that’s you. If you think I’m making it up, take a look back through the posts & see if you can find me making an explicit claim that IC definately evolved (in context). Given that this is the case, that you are making a claim & I'm not, back up your claim. Oh, you can’t? Well, I'm sorry, Ahmad, you therefore have no argument.
You made a claim, & I didn't. I have NOTHING I have to back up. You do.
Regarding the Cambrian explosion:
What part of the ToE is
specifically contradicted by the Cambrian explosion. If you are going to claim a limit, I expect you to show that limit
actually exists.
[Added by edit] What is your assertion regarding the Cambrian explosion? Are you saying that God created life at the phyla level with "multipurpose" genomes that could then evolve into the many sub-taxa, orders, classes, families that we see today, with the genetic complexity built in? If not, what?
I'll try to get to the rest asap.
Mark
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[This message has been edited by mark24, 11-25-2002]
[This message has been edited by mark24, 11-25-2002]