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cavediver
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Message 1 of 13 (220910)
06-30-2005 9:02 AM


As a caver/speleologist, I am interested in the proposed/accepted mechanisms for cave generation in the YEC...
By cave, I mean solutional cave or cave system in limestone, generated by phreatic (flooded/below water table) and vadose ("river" erosion above the water table) action. Many cave systems around the world have many miles of passageway (>100 miles in some cases), and huge vertical development (>1 mile in exceptional cases). See http://panda.bg.univ.gda.pl/~dbart/rys/wronia_b.gif and http://panda.bg.univ.gda.pl/~dbart/rys/lampo.gif
For starters, in a YE scenario, how are extensive cave systems and their formations (stals, columns, etc) generated in the time frame?
More problematically, how do more complicated cave systems arise? For example, cave systems that develop below the water-table that subsequently dry as a result of lowering sea-level, allowing extensive formations to develop, then finally reflood as sea-levels rise again. See http://www.dir-mexico.com/agpic13big.htm
any offers?
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cavediver
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Message 3 of 13 (234728)
08-19-2005 5:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by cavediver
06-30-2005 9:02 AM


Caves prove that a Young Earth is impossible
Personally, my experience of caves alone prevents me from considering the possibility of a Young Earth. Anyone want to convince me otherwise?

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cavediver
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Message 5 of 13 (234866)
08-19-2005 2:43 PM
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08-19-2005 11:19 AM


Re: Caves prove that a Young Earth is impossible
I don't know off the top of my head, but I'll go looking. I was trained by an ex FSU guy... probably the best diver/cave-diver I have ever known. And the caves of the Yucatan are incredible. They are what I was talking about when I first introduced the topic long ago... they formed phreatically (below water table), but then sea level dropped and they dryed out, allowing the growth of some of the most amazing formations. Finally sea level rose and they are flooded again, giving us cave-divers some of the greatest sights on the planet!

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cavediver
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Message 11 of 13 (236673)
08-25-2005 3:27 AM
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08-24-2005 10:24 PM


Thanks Harlequin, good find. I've just read through the articles they have on him... rather sparse on anything substantial.
quote:
‘Once I became a Christian,’ Emil says, ‘I knew I had to tune up my scientific knowledge with the Scriptures.’
and
quote:
I am now convinced of six-day, literal, recent, Genesis creation. That doesn’t mean that there are not still some unanswered problems, but researching such issues is what being a scientist is all about

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cavediver
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Message 12 of 13 (236674)
08-25-2005 3:44 AM
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08-24-2005 10:24 PM


Interesting that in the AiG interview with Emil Silvestru, they promise to fund his "creation research". The article is from the June 1999 edition, yet I could find no mention of any relevant publications following this.

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