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RAZD
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Message 1 of 20 (191354)
03-13-2005 9:52 PM


Scientists Build 'Frankenstein' Neanderthal Skeleton
Scientists Build 'Frankenstein' Neanderthal Skeleton | Live Science
see picture here (with credits and color coding info)
Anthropologists have built a "Frankenstein" Neanderthal skeleton, the first and only full-body reconstruction of the species. The result, announced today, is a shape no one expected.
La Ferrassie 1 was missing its rib cage, pelvis, and a few other parts ... Kebara 2 was previously known as the specimen with the best rib cage, pelvis, and vertebral preservation... similar, if not identical, in size to the La Ferrassie man ...
"The biggest surprise by all means is that they have a rib cage radically different than a modern human’s rib cage," said Sawyer. "As we stood back, we noticed one interesting thing was that these are kind of a short, squat people. These guys had no waist at all — they were compact, dwarfy-like beings."
Many here will know of my pet theory that neanderthals are the actual (pre)historic basis for the myths about dwarfs and trolls and ogres -- different enough from homosap in appearance (and probably in behavior) that mating would not likely be considered (reproductively isolated).
questions abound. is this valid science or is it sensationalism? has no one really done this before? weren't neanders supposed to be bigger? will this skeleton of "Ferrassie-Kebara" man significantly change how we think of neanderthals?
Enjoy.
ps -- "Human Origins" forum methinks.

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Message 5 of 20 (191402)
03-14-2005 7:32 AM
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03-13-2005 11:53 PM


yes some evidence that it happened on some occasions, but then the DNA evidence is that there was not a notable degree of sharing going on - DNA as different nearly as chimp from homosap - so interbreeding was not common. this would make the occasional hybrid no different than occasional hybrids between other closely related species.
I wonder when we get to see the next "artist rendering" of what a neanderthal looks like based on this skeleton.

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Message 9 of 20 (191826)
03-15-2005 10:12 PM
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03-14-2005 1:23 PM


hmm, wonder how it compares to Inuit skeletons then, which appear to have adapted in that direction as well.
as far as interbreeding goes, I am reminded of a study done on male stickle-backs (fish the size of minnows) that showed that the longer they went without mating the more likely they were to attempt mating with things that looked less and less like female stickle-backs, even with sticks and the like (the study was joked about as a "we needed a study to determine that?" kind of thing - fascinating why you remember some things eh?).
thus one can imagine (more or less) marginalized individuals of one or the other species engaging is such behavior.

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Message 20 of 20 (234293)
08-17-2005 10:29 PM
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08-17-2005 6:02 PM


Re: The Tocharians?
Interesting. Thanks.

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