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Author Topic:   Religious views of Magic the Gathering--PLEASE HELP!
PaulK
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Message 31 of 125 (217590)
06-17-2005 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by arachnophilia
06-17-2005 5:22 AM


Heard about the famous typo ?
The last time WorldCon was in Glasgow (it's back this year) WotC were one of the larger sponsors. So they got their advertising on the program book. But their name came out as "Wizards of the Cost".

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Monk
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Message 32 of 125 (217600)
06-17-2005 10:37 AM
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06-16-2005 11:11 PM


I never played the game but I have an idea what it is like. I’ve played a little D&D but that was many years ago. I really don’t have a problem with these games. They don’t seem to foster occult worship any more than the wicked witch in the Wizard of Oz.
But this thread caused me to wonder about the reaction to games like Principality which is a similar role playing game but with characters from the heavenly realm, i.e. angels, archangels, seraphim, etc.
Would games like this be prohibited in public schools?

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LinearAq
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Message 33 of 125 (217603)
06-17-2005 10:47 AM
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06-17-2005 8:52 AM


Controlled testing?
schrafinator writes:
You do know that Ouija boards work via the ideomotor effect, right?
What? You don't think that the demons know when their Ouija boards are being tested? Of course they don't want their influence to be proven.

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Wounded King
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Message 34 of 125 (217621)
06-17-2005 11:39 AM
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06-17-2005 10:37 AM


The fact that it actually describes itself as a ministry might cause some problems.
TTFN,
WK

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Wounded King
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Message 35 of 125 (217622)
06-17-2005 11:40 AM
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06-17-2005 2:44 AM


IIRC Garfield was inspired by Cosmic Encounter
Wow, and where did the Lasagne fetish come from.
TTFN,
WK

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lfen
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Message 36 of 125 (217627)
06-17-2005 11:50 AM
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06-17-2005 7:41 AM


But then I stopped playing when 8th Edition came out and all the cards looked like Yu-Gi-Oh.
I totally agree with you on that. I hate the new card style and am still outraged that such a stupid ugly choice was made.
lfen

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lfen
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Message 37 of 125 (217632)
06-17-2005 12:00 PM
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06-17-2005 7:09 AM


Learning to play Magic
I'd suggest you start by checking out the website:
Wizards of the Coast
They do sell a Starter game set that comes with two decks, a beginning rule book and a CD that teaches the game. I think it sell for between $10 and $15 I don't recall the actually price maybe it was $12.99?
Anyway that is a good way to start. 9th Edition will be coming out sometime this summer and there will be a Starter game using those core cards which are good cards but without the more complex mechanics and so make it less confusing to learn. The 8th edition cards are still good and you could easily go with the current 8th Edition starter game.
lfen
ABE: Oops forgot the question about group size. There is no limit on group size. The typical game is between two players but there are variants that can be adapted for 3 or 4 of even more players. Games can be played as teams or as free for alls.
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Message 38 of 125 (217635)
06-17-2005 12:06 PM
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06-17-2005 12:00 PM


Re: Learning to play Magic
9th Edition will be coming out sometime this summer
The 8th edition cards are still good
Damn. Built in obsolescence in a game. Now why didn't Alexander Cartwright think of that. Brilliant.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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lfen
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Message 39 of 125 (217637)
06-17-2005 12:10 PM
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06-17-2005 7:47 AM


The Magic writers talk about Timmys, Johnies, and Spikes. Timmy's like to play and win with big critters,Johnies like cool combinations, and Spikes just like to win. Decks designed to win tournaments can be very expensive.
Many Magic players will agree that the expensive decks designed to win tournaments are rarely the most fun decks to play. Casual Magic should be fun. Basically if someone has an overpowered deck people end up refusing to play that deck. I like using so called junk rares that cost around one or two dollars and find some odd ball way to utilize them.
There are types of magic that don't allow rares.
lfen

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lfen
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Message 40 of 125 (217641)
06-17-2005 12:22 PM
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06-17-2005 10:37 AM


The very little I know about schools banning Pokemon had to do with when it became a mania and was distracting the children who were so into it they weren't paying enough attention to schoolwork. Also if the trading got out of hand then it just became easier to ban the game rather the deal with all the "court cases" that arose. But this relates more to the way fads sweep through occasionally reaching a fever pitch that is disruptive but then dying down if not out altogether.
I remember a very brief fad with something called Crazy Bonez? kind of like marbles but with little irregular way over priced plastic critters. That seems to last only about a month or so at it's peak but kids were collecting, trading, and playing the game.
When I was a kid I only recall marbles and bubblegum cards. I've probably forgotten something. But marketing is driving these fads more aggressively than it did in the fifties.
lfen

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purpledawn
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Message 41 of 125 (217659)
06-17-2005 1:12 PM
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06-17-2005 12:00 PM


Re: Learning to play Magic
Thanks for the info. I will check it out and see what I can find.
With a new edition coming out maybe I can find a deal on the 8th edition.
I'm always looking for games to play with my niece and nephew. One (the neice 7th grade) is a brain and the other (nephew) has to work harder. He likes scifi and is pretty good with computer games, but we are trying to get him more involved on a group level interaction as opposed to so much time alone on the computer.
This game may be a good option on many levels.
Thanks again.

"The average man does not know what to do with this life, yet wants another one which lasts forever." --Anatole France

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lfen
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Message 42 of 125 (217670)
06-17-2005 1:52 PM
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06-17-2005 1:12 PM


Re: Learning to play Magic
we are trying to get him more involved on a group level interaction as opposed to so much time alone on the computer.
The social interaction is what I and many if not most players find so enjoyable about the game. I've been able to get children to accept a socially awkward child through playing the game and the fun they had then carried out to including him in other activities until he became accepted.
I've also used it to desensitize a child to fear of losing. I model being a good loser (it's no big deal, no problem, etc.) and usually you can cycle through games fast enough that you can demonstrate that sometimes you win, sometimes you lose but hey we're having fun playing.
lfen
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arachnophilia
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Message 43 of 125 (217671)
06-17-2005 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by crashfrog
06-17-2005 7:41 AM


Bah I'll own you all with my black-red-blue control/permission deck.
those were annoying. i never had enough counterspell-type cards to make one.

אָרַח

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arachnophilia
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Message 44 of 125 (217672)
06-17-2005 1:54 PM
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06-17-2005 7:47 AM


I don't mean to bust anybody's balls about it - I've played it for years now, but I'm not very good, and I usually got my ass beat by people who had blown 200 dollars on rares to put in their deck. I mean I had heard of people who were so good at deckbuilding they could stomp with nothing but commons, but I never saw it in person.
But I don't play to win, really. My deck is constructed so that I have a good time losing.
yeah, i totally agree.

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lfen
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Message 45 of 125 (217674)
06-17-2005 1:59 PM
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06-17-2005 11:40 AM


Wow, and where did the Lasagne fetish come from.
I didn't even know there WAS a lasagne fetish so I've no idea where it came from. What has this to do with Richard Garfield or Cosmic Encounters?
lfen

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