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Splintering our Education System based on FAITH

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03-31-2005 2:17 PM 		Reply to: Message 11 by Faith
03-31-2005 2:01 PM

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I'm not down on home schooling but these articles you linked to are sort of comparing apples and oranges as they are comparing home schooled to public schooled when a more correct (in my view) comparison would be to compare the home schooled only to public schooled students with highly involved parents. I'm of the opinion that parents that home school there children are more involved in their children's education then the average public schooled child's parents are. I think having parents highly involved in their childrens education, makes more of a difference than whether the student was public or home schooled.
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03-31-2005 2:36 PM 		Reply to: Message 19 by tsig
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To restate, these studies are comparing a self-selected group to the average group, bound to be some difference, esp. when one of the factors of the self-selection was concern for the children.
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Damm! I wish I could have written the point that concisely!
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03-31-2005 2:42 PM 		Reply to: Message 20 by Faith
03-31-2005 2:31 PM

Re: Back to the Future?
Well I don't believe that home schooling inveritibly leads children in an anti-intellectual direction, the science content of some of these home schooling programs definitely is definitely anti-science. Hopefully, since they are more likely to be college bound, they will quickly learn that science is not an enemy to their faith and they can contribute to it, even in geology and evolution.
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03-31-2005 3:35 PM 		Reply to: Message 30 by Faith
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Can you give evidence of such anti-science homeschooling curricula? That is VERY VERY far from my observation of what is taught in Christian homeschooling. Science is very well taught.
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Some of the home schooling curricula looked very good, it's the ones I seen like in the following link that are anti-science.
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Learningbygrace.org
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03-31-2005 4:01 PM 		Reply to: Message 47 by Faith
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You are simply bothered by the creationist philosophy, but that doesn't affect the teaching of actual scientific content, observation and methodology at all.
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Faith, evolution and geology are ACTUAL science. Not teaching it or teaching that it is incorrect due to some holy text is the very definition of anti-science.
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03-31-2005 8:18 PM 		Reply to: Message 54 by Faith
03-31-2005 7:13 PM

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Faith we are veering off topic for this thread, but to be honest (and you do want to be honest right?!) science currently supports an old universe, old earth, dinosaurs living millions of years ago, evolution as fact and theory, ... That is science! This is ignorant assertion:
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It is simply NOT true that you have to believe the universe is any particular age, that the layers in the geologic column were formed 4500 years ago or bazillions, that dinosaurs lived 5000 years ago or some millions of years ago, or that we were created in Eden or all evolved from the primordial swamps, in order to do excellent science.
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It is true that you don't have to believe it, but that is what the evidence says.
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