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Topic: Splintering our Education System based on FAITH
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Since you are still relatively new here, you need to be aware that everyone has the right to ask for evidence whenever a claim is made. I guess you haven't had this conversation with Faith yet. She finds it unspeakably rude that you don't simply take her word for every assertion she makes.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 43 of 110 (195798)
03-31-2005 3:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 39 by tsig 03-31-2005 3:18 PM
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Re: leaping without looking
Crash, she did reply and provided links, think you leaped without looking here. Happy landings. I hadn't seen that, but my comments did accurately reflect the substance of conversations had in this thread. It was literally referred to as "rude" to challenge an assertion.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 52 of 110 (195821)
03-31-2005 4:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 48 by Faith 03-31-2005 3:49 PM
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Re: OT
What exactly is wrong with "splintering" the system? I've answered that Holmes' expectations are unwarranted, that everybody would be going off in some completely different direction from everybody else, but what exactly ARE you all worried about if different schooling systems are made available? Isn't that the American way? There's nothing particularly commendable about homogenized education and it tends to the lowest common denominator. I think the problem is that in America, we use the education you've completed as a guide to what you know, particularly in occupations where that knowledge is vital. I think what people are worried about is that, if there's all these different systems, with presumably different concentrations in different subjects, and they're all to be considered equivlent, then there's a real possibility that your doctor, for instance, might be totally lacking some crucial knowledge that he or she might otherwise have been exposed to. I dunno, I'm not that scared. As it stands now, there's already every possibility that your doctor skipped classes and cheated on his exams.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 56 of 110 (195894)
03-31-2005 9:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 54 by Faith 03-31-2005 7:13 PM
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NEITHER evolutionism NOR creationism affects the content of science in the slightest. All the work that is done in laboratories and in the field is exactly the same work whether you are a creationist or an evolutionist. This is false. My wife is hard at work in the lab, as we speak, doing work that wouldn't be possible in the absence of the evolutionary framework. As they say, biology only makes sense in the light of evolution. It does very much affect the content of the biological sciences; it turns something that would just be basically bug collecting into a useful, predictive, and explanitory model.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 65 of 110 (195932)
04-01-2005 2:32 AM
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Reply to: Message 58 by Faith 03-31-2005 11:54 PM
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Re: Back to the Future?
Evolution is a false model whether or not it generates scientific projects. Except that it isn't. It isn't a false model. It's an accurate and predictive model, and that's why its so universally accepted among biologists.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 66 of 110 (195933)
04-01-2005 2:34 AM
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Reply to: Message 59 by Faith 04-01-2005 12:00 AM
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It is absolutely unnecessary to any of the practical business of science. Hi. Refuted this already. To repeat - nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution. Biology without evolution is just stamp collecting - i.e. a large collection of unrelated facts with no predictive power. That's not science.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 67 of 110 (195934)
04-01-2005 2:36 AM
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Reply to: Message 64 by Faith 04-01-2005 2:28 AM
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Re: Prove it!
Look up fossils, dinosaurs, genome, anything, it is very hard to get simple facts. That's because the facts, by themselves, are useless. It's only within an explanitory framework that the facts have meaning, that they gain usefulness and allow us to make predictions.
The facts would do just fine without the theory baggage. Do just fine for what? Filling encyclopedias? That's not science.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 70 of 110 (195938)
04-01-2005 2:40 AM
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Reply to: Message 68 by Faith 04-01-2005 2:37 AM
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Yes, well evolutionism has no doubt served as a goad to scientific work despite its falseness. Incorrect. Evolution has actually made possible scientific work that would not have been, otherwise.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 71 of 110 (195939)
04-01-2005 2:41 AM
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Reply to: Message 69 by Faith 04-01-2005 2:39 AM
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Re: Prove it!
but nevertheless oddly enough the explanatory framework simply does not explain anything and the facts could indeed do without it very well. Do what without it? Nothing. Facts without a framework don't serve any purpose. It's like a child's shell collection all tossed into a box. Sure it's nice to look at but its of no scientific value whatsoever.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 84 of 110 (196013)
04-01-2005 11:18 AM
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Reply to: Message 76 by Faith 04-01-2005 3:57 AM
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The facts are going to turn out to be consistent with God's creation of all species in the same six-day period that He created the universe and mankind. Uh-huh. Well, keep telling yourself that. We'll be over here using the evolutionary theory to do real work, ok? Try not to get in the way.
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