NOMA - Is this the answer?

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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
--Took some of those words right out of my mouth, I had second thoughts about whether I should respond to another nos post an hour ago. I was going to gargle something up somewhere along the line of artificial vs. natural selection. Didn't exactly look forward to what other flames would result from clicking the 'Submit Now' button.

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Self-deception is a powerful instinct as well.

Originally posted by TrueCreation:--Unless you can supply us with data which suggests suicidal affliction is a genetic disorder, this is nonsense.I didn't say that, but yes it can be genetic.http://www.suicide-parasuicide.rumos.com/...SSIVE%20DISORDER?And even still. There are many with qualities which greatly outweigh others in brilliance who may also have a retardation in other characteristical properties. Albert Einstein is a prime example of this.He didn't ty to kill, or castrate, himself.--Reality is no longer all about the survival of the fittest population, humanity has an abstract mind and with it comes other interests.Irrelevant.There is much that I do, for instance, which is attemptedly for the better of humanity itself, and they aren't really 'get the gurl' obligations.Women like a man who can show that he cares about others. It proves that he will more likely take better care of her children.

Originally posted by gene90:You have a history of saying disgusting and degenerate things in this forum but this takes the cake. What was going through your mind when you said that?The truth is not always pretty.And when people do it for religious reasons it shows that people aren't like animals hard-wired for survival.Like bees, ants, and lemmings just to name a few?Even the most basic instincts can be overridden, including the sexdrive, and as you just pointed out, even self-preservation, the most important drive of all. I didn't say that we couldn't overcome them, only that we are ruled more by them than we like to believe. Even if we don't act on them directly they still influence us. We may not go out and tried to have sex with every person we see still doesn't mean that we aren't trying to prove our fitness to reproduce either even if it is on a subconscious level. That is how instinct works.[This message has been edited by nos482, 10-07-2002]

Originally posted by gene90:Just because it isn't pretty doesn't make it true. Really now, we don't need genes carried by suicidal people? They are inferior by virtue of the way they died? Worse, you believe that the world is better *without* them? The arrogance in that remark, and the extreme
disregard for a substantial segment of humanity, is astounding.Not as much as when missionaries go into less developed cultures and exterminate them all in the name of god.Bees and ants are hive insects, all descended from one individual. By sacrificing themselves to defend the nest they are helping perpetuate their own genes. This is just pure Darwinism.It can be the same with humans as well.It seems like you've moved back a bit from your assertion that everything people do is for sex. No, I had said that we do everything to prove our fitness to reproduce. Sex is only part of it as in the reward.

Originally posted by gene90:Red herring.Color is irrelevant.Besides, my church has never done that and I'm not aware of any Western church having done that in the last couple of centuries.Many of them believe that it is not genocide when you destroy a culture in god's name. That they are doing them a favor. Just recently in Central America a group of missionaries went in after an earthquake and were saying to the people there that if they didn't accept JESUS that they wouldn't help them and that their god didn't love them anymore and that is why they had the Earthquake.Darwinian selection does apply in some cases but there is still self-sacrifice for what is believed to be a higher good, regardless of if it benefits the holder by propagating genes.That's the excuse, but there are case of a parent "sacrificing" themself in order to save their children."Everything"? Again how does self-castration and suicide factor into that?It doesn't. It is an aberration. You are thinking in binary terms. I.E. Black and white, right or wrong, etc. And there is nothing more which reinforces this limited way of thinking than religion.[This message has been edited by nos482, 10-08-2002]

Originally posted by gene90:Still obfuscating the point?In what way?Who's done that in the last 200 years? In South-East Asia.Pure Darwinism. But that's another distraction.I'm not the one who is distracted.The point is, you're still wrong. Not everything we do is for sex and now you are trying to change the subject.You're the one who says its about sex. I've said that it is about proving one's fittness to reproduce. You assume it is solely for sex.Can you prove the missionaries wrong?Irrelevant. They were refusing aid unless the natives converted. That is evil in and of itself.Finally, considering some of the things you have said in the past, I think it is fair that I ask that you support this claim. You've spent your credibility for all it was worth already, between the Bard's KJV and the suicidal lemmings, I've about heard enough bull that I think I should ask for a cite for pretty much everything you say.All of that is nothing besides your imaginary "spirit witness".Red herring. Stick to the subject or admit defeat, otherwise you are wasting time you could spend more profitably elsewhere.You sure like fish, but that is totally irrelevant. The world is far from being as black and white as you want it to be. It is a rainbow of colors. Your way of "thinking" is a valid point here, because it shows just how limiting it can be in your perception of the real world around you. The universe is already amazing and wonderful without the need to invent imaginary gods.[This message has been edited by nos482, 10-08-2002]