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Author Topic:   To the creationists - the tough question
Fred Williams
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Message 28 of 78 (1900)
01-11-2002 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by RetroCrono
01-01-2002 8:58 AM


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e.g. the claim that animals couldn't be found in the fossil records before men, because there was no death before sin. Read "Romans 5:12", "Romans 4:13" and "I Corinthians 15:22". It is obvious to me that it is not referring to animals, otherwise it just sounds silly. There's other claims that I felt they've also falsified. I find it hard to believe the 6 days of creation as 6 man days and not 6 God days. I've heard all the creation arguments for why it must be taken literally but to me it makes no sense, it doesn't seem to work, unless you take it as 6 ages the Bible doesn't contradict itself.
I think you partially erected a strawman, as I don’t think YEC Christians including myself base the belief of sin = death merely on the verses you cited. When God finished after 6 days, he declared everything was very good (Gen 1:31). The actual Hebrew word used is perfection. What it boils down to is your statement that I find it hard to believe the 6 days of creation as 6 man days and not 6 God days. Do you find this hard to believe because of what modern day scientists say, or because of some other reason? I strongly suspect, correct me if I’m wrong, that it’s the former (especially since you later equated 6 Ages to congruency with the big bang). If the later, then how do 6 literal days in Genesis contradict other portions of the Bible?
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It also helped me understand a few problems with evolution, like why the fossil record goes from simple to complex life forms,
RetroCrono, this is a long-since disproven myth still promoted by many evolutionists. Many informed evolutionists no longer make this false claim:
"The old Darwinian view of evolution as a ladder of more and more efficient forms leading up to the present is not borne out by the evidence. - N.D. Newell, Why Scientists believe in Evolution, 1984, p 10, American Geological Institute pamphlet
I believe that our failure to find any clear vector of fitfully accumulating progressrepresents our greatest dilemma for a study of pattern in life’s history — S.J. Gould, ‘The paradox of the first tier: an agenda for paleobiology’, Paleobiology, Vol 11, No 1, 1985, p 3
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I now know the Bible is the only real truth so that's what I'm sticking to. :-)
We are in strong agreement here!
Ps 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD Than to put confidence in man.

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