No, you said it is also okay when the life of the mother is at risk or the gestational being is going to be dead anyway
Yes I know. You can point out the mearly obvious to me, the incredibly obvious I got a grip on.
In any case, while sex is intentional, reproduction is not.
This ladies and gentlemen is the whole issue summed up in a few elquent words. That's just awesome. I really can't believe people can think like this. If everyone would realize that when you play with fire you might get burned, we would all be ok. It's so simple, a child could figure it out, why the rest of the world has such a problem with it, including myself, is the bigger question.
What is the difference between a woman getting pregnant when she didn't want to just because in one case a person forced the sex upon her, and in another bad luck forced the reproductive cycle upon her?
You mean you really don't know the answer to this one?
I'll give you one more chance.
The first sentence is about the most meaningless thing I've read in some time. If the trauma never surfaces in a person's lifetime, that would be "no trauma". The second sentence is a bunch of garbage. Who the hell ever said it was casual and harmless? It is a medical procedure (which usually brings some emotional issues) and the woman will likely face post-partum depression, just as she would if she had the child.
Yes I agree with you, and I do not believe that it sinks in and never surfaces. We are the sum of our experiences in life.
Ironically, pregnancy is not as harmless and casual as the anti-choice crowd insist.
Another good reason to not play games with life, and only seriously consider having sex, unless you are willing to take the risk.
You are not LIABLE when you have taken adequate precautions.
Yes you are. Show me one birth control package or drug that claims 100% effectiveness.
Let's stop right here, and I want to ask Holmes a question, please no one else from the peanut gallery answer:
Do you think abortion is a form of birth control?
I said if pregnancy was a snap most women probably wouldn't have abortions. Do you really think this isn't true?
You and schraf, have to own up to this statement. Do you think that woman are having abortions because while they don't mind kids, they are afraid of being pregnant?
Go back to sleep if you think that cheap trick is going to work on me. I actually have a thought out position on this subject. No, the attacker is not guilty of murder.
Do you have kids?
How do you feel about the outcome of this story?
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He used it to find characteristics that are important in defining what a person is. It did not hinge on facts of whether the criteria were forever lost or not.
Yes, I know that clearly, and I disagree with both of you. The fact remains that it absolutly hinges on the criteria being forever lost or not. It's a ghost of an arguement.
You do not need any law, or act, or even half a brain to know that if you rip a gestational being from a womb, it will die, unless it has developed enough. That fact that it can, or cannot survive on its own, means nothing to it's personess. Since when do we ignore time, or control it, because that's what your attempting to do.
This is a contradiction. By the way, how come I am a product of the same society and I never had a pregnancy, nor an STD despite much unmarried sexual encounters? Maybe its because I knew that if you truly wanted to avoid any pregnancies you had to have nonvaginal sex or layer protective options?
Awesome, your better than me. I hope and pray that you never have to experience what I did. Listen, I had sex with only 3 women in my life, and I was engaged to 2 of them, and the third one I married. I am not a careless person, and I did not feel I deserved what happened to me. But now that I believe in God, and he blesses me with knowledge and wisdom from the Holy Spirit, I now understand why it happened to me.
Just like you probably drive a car around. Despite knowing the rules of the road and keeping your car maintained, if one day the brakes just give out, you would not be responsible for what happened next... right?
Depends, if the manufacture told me the brakes were 100% reliable, then I wouldn't. But we all now that nothing mechanical is 100% perfect, so it's a risk we take.
If I crash and die from it, I cannot get an abortion and make it all better.
If you wanted sympathy you could have just said that you had made a mistake and learned the lesson that one should not take the choice of abortion lightly, and should consider your deeper feelings about the nature of life because it could haunt you... there is no taking back the choice.
That's what I'm saying.
Separate from that, I am having a stance on abortion, and it is not based solely on what happened to me.
On the othert hand pro-"Life" people generally want to cut sex education so people don't know how to have sex and not get pregnant, or signifcantly reduce the chance of pregnancy, are for cutting out contraceptive funding and distribution, and when a woman gets pregnant and decides to have a kid, are generally unconcerned about the child after it is ununborn.
Are you for real? That's such a blanket statement, I'm not so sure about that one, and that is not what I have witnessed in my life.
It's is definatly not the goal of the 2 organizations I am involved with.
Just a thought, one of my sons did not know what sex was. We thought we should teach him, so that he learns it from us. So when he was 9 we gave him a book, and explain the birds and the bees to him. He is 22 now, and he just admitted to me the other day, that he used to masturbate to that book, and before that he didn't masturbate.
There is more to that story, and it's not good. It goes along with how screwd up society is. So take what you want from that story.
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