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Quetzal
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Message 170 of 234 (179511)
01-22-2005 12:02 AM
Reply to: Message 164 by Percy
01-21-2005 4:40 PM


Re: Damnit!
Hey Percy,
I get the exact same thing Joe does occasionally. I learned quickly that the server error message was bogus - the post I tried to make was actually posted. I just have to crawl back through EvC's front door (just like starting a new session), and my message is nicely posted (singly). Hitting "back" then resubmit gets the double post.

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Message 174 of 234 (179611)
01-22-2005 10:13 AM
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01-22-2005 8:53 AM


Re: Damnit!
Right - only at EvC. I'll be happy to forward the error message next time it happens.

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Quetzal
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Message 199 of 234 (181427)
01-28-2005 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by Jazzns
01-28-2005 12:01 PM


Re: Geo 101 Plate Tectonics vs Hydroplate
3) Biogeography
Particularly marsupial biogeography. Extant and fossil marsupials have only existed in certain geographic environments. In particular, as you extrapolate through geologic time, the ancestors to current day marsupials were exclusively located in South Africa, Antarctica, Australia and South America. As species were geographically separated due to plate tectonics, marsupial species diverged in their respective isolated areas. Assuming that a proto-marsupial "kind" cannot "micro evolve" into a kangaroo in a weekend, this process was slow.
It's a bit more complicated, but you have the gist. The earliest major radiation of marsupials post-dates the breakup of Gondwanaland when what later became Australia, Antarctica and South America were joined. Interestingly, the earliest metatherian fossils (Late Cretaceous) are from North America AND South America. All N. American marsupials went extinct during the Miocene. It looks now that marsupials went from S. America to Australia via Antarctica, and possibly from N. America to Asia. Weird, hunh? Mesosaur fossils found in South America and Africa also show these two continents were once joined, but not since about 125 Mya.
Also, someone please confirm this, I believe that marsupial migration into North America only became possible once North and South America became connected via Panama. Therefore we can time the diversification of marsupials into North America with the data from plate movement. The conclusion is that plate tectonics is a slow process.
Correct. The Great American Interchange took place approx. 3 mya. The only living N. American marsupial, Didelphus virginiensis, entered at that time from S. America. It also marks the end of the great metatherian radiation in S. America, possibly due to competition from placentals from the north.
Obviously the Antarctic populations went extinct when the continent arrived in the polar regions, leaving only Australia to carry on with the impressive evolution of marsupials.

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Quetzal
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Message 218 of 234 (185891)
02-16-2005 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by Hydroplate Hippie
02-16-2005 1:39 PM


Re: Geo 101 Plate Tectonics vs Hydroplate
You have no idea how much scrutiny that the current views have undergone. It is a very very safe bet that you will not begin to be able to find anything that comes close. After you get your PhD in the field you might know enough to make a small change somewhere.
I have no idea who you quoted here, but it certainly wasn't me.
Although your comments are interesting, I personally don’t put much stock in marsupial migration relative to the topic at hand here — physical laws and supposed reversing geomagnetic polarity. Incidentally, even if the fossil record were complete and correctly interpreted, we should ask whether there are alternative explanations for the migration patterns to have occurred. I believe there are, but you will need to investigate that for yourself.
Questions of biogeography don't have any obvious application (to my mind) on the issue of magnetic field reversal. If you'll refer back to the post to which I was replying, I was confirming Jazz's memory of marsupial phylogeny and biogeography. The latter DOES have relevance as an additional line of evidence that continental landmasses which are now halfway around the world from each other were once joined, which was the point. If they weren't, then there's no other explanation for the distribution of these organisms.
The "weird" comment was in relation to N. America being the original home of most marsupials. They then disappeared completely from the continent, then were re-established by immigration from continents to which they had originally dispersed. I just think it's interesting (hence, "weird") that they had to recolonize their "birthplace" as it were.
As far as this bit goes:
Do we know these things by inferred association from analysis of marsupial migration... drawing conclusions from an incomplete and ever changing fossil record?
We "know" this because we have a record of primitive marsupials at point A, then they disappear and other marsupials appear at point B and C, then different ones later at point D, and finally much later even more derived marsupials reappear at point A again - with these latter related fairly closely to intermediates found at point B. Infer what you will, this is the observed evidence from the rocks.

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