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Author Topic:   Why people want to believe there is a god.
blitz77
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Message 146 of 192 (16979)
09-09-2002 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by nos482
09-09-2002 9:24 AM


Nope... NDEs are near death experiences. According to statistics, 33% of people near death experience an NDE, but quickly forget about it in a few days/weeks.
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Religion: "God did it and that is good enough for me..."
Science: "Let's see what actually happened and maybe learn something new and different..."
Mmmm, really? Then why would we need scientific institutions such as ICR?

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blitz77
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Message 147 of 192 (16980)
09-09-2002 9:30 AM
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09-09-2002 9:28 AM


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Stats are like whores, they will open their legs for anyone. Plus good access to the scrolls is restricted. You are going by what they want you to know is in them.
Science is based on statistics to check reliability of an experiment.
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Why don't you look up the books which have been removed because they didn't agree with what the Church wanted them to say.
Which books?

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blitz77
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Message 148 of 192 (16981)
09-09-2002 9:38 AM
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09-09-2002 9:28 AM


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With Greek Mythology all of it is consistent and more complete in also giving much details. What do we know of most of Christ's life from 12 to around 30? Almost nothing as if he were made out of whole clothe.
The difference between Greek Mythology and the account of Christ's life is the difference between legend and history. Go to Israel, and even the Jews there will admit that Jesus existed. And as for Greek mythology, archaelogists and historians think there might be at least a grain of truth in them. David Rohl equates Dionysis with Noah (both invented wine), and many other correlations between other cultural heroes and myths with the bible, eg Osiris with Noah (Osiris was tossed into a compartment/box/ark and cast into the water), as well as many other similarities. Take a read of David Rohl's 'Legend: The Genesis of Civilization'. David Rohl is the world famous Egyptologist (and no, he isn't a Christian).

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blitz77
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Message 157 of 192 (17055)
09-10-2002 5:00 AM
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09-09-2002 10:18 AM


[quote]Hmmm? Try going to any hospital or nurse ward some time. Ask the nurses about near death experiences. Most will tell you about near death experiences by patients. There are numerous books on the subject-by psychologists, doctors, etc. Ever read one?
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You are referring to the Apocryhal books? Lets take a look at the definition of Apocrypha: -
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Greek, apokryphos. from the Greek krypto, the secret or hidden. Protestant Religion: those religious writings deemed by Protestants as non-canonical, and called concealed or hidden because their origin was often unknown, or their authority and authorship was spurious or doubtful. Because of their obscure and dubious origin, they are ordinarily rejected as inspired, authentic or authoritative. Roman Catholic: The additional 15 books in Roman catholic Bibles which they call deuterocanonical, but which were rejected as canonical by the early Church, and by Protestants. Non-Religious In some circles Apocryphal has come to mean any books or writings which are (or have been), rarely seen, hidden, obscure, mysterious, or secretive.
These books were not part of the Masoretic text, and as they are obscure and their authorship is dubious and were added to the Hebrew text (originally they weren't in the Bible, but the Roman Catholic church added it, however the historical Christian religion growing from it understood that they were non-canonical) that Jews considered canonical, they were not used. They were not used because although they were deutoroconical books, it was the Jews to which the Old Testament was entrusted, (Rom 3:1-2, Rom 9:4), and the Jews did not use the Apocryhal texts. We see Jews using the exact same old testament as Protestants use today. Since they were never considered God inspired in the first place, but only included as they were considered useful. In almost all translations of the Apocryha used in those days, basically all made clear mention that it was not canonical.

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blitz77
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Message 160 of 192 (17081)
09-10-2002 10:27 AM
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09-10-2002 8:12 AM


Not quite-the OT complements the NT, and points to it.

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