Why people want to believe there is a god.

Originally posted by blitz77:So how does that contradict the bible? Jesus taught that hell was real, revelation says that hell is real.Depends on what you mean by hell. Most Modern Christians get their idea of what hell is from Dante's Inferno.No, it isn't. You see this in science all the time. People come up with different interpretations of the evidence, I remember that there was 5 versions of superstring theory.Apples and oranges. Plus, you got it backwards. First they put forth the theories then they search for the evidence and the theory which matches is the one which is used, if none match than a new theory is put forth. With Creationists they ignore all of the evidence which doesn't match their "theory".[This message has been edited by nos482, 09-09-2002]

Originally posted by blitz77:Science incorporates one big assumption; that the universe is rational and can be comprehended.The difference is that you assume that your god is the creator and stop at that, science is still looking for the cause."Always trust a man who seeks the truth, never trust one who claims to already have it."

Originally posted by Mammuthus:Again, you say the bible is true because the bible says so...this does not prove anything...I am not sure how bashing the Quran adds any weight to your argument either. They are both mythological texts. Greek mythology also occassionaly refers to historical events...guess we should all watch out for Zeus. Oh yeah, and John Grisham has been translated into many different languages Praise thee oh Grisham Plus, what we call Greek Mythology is far older and more consistant despite having fewer so-called original texts and manuscripts than Christianity has had.

Originally posted by blitz77:And you assume that life came from random chance, and that the universe was not designed (as you say that there is no God), just is.You've been here a while and you still don't know what evolution is?Plus, I've always said that with regards to the existence of a creator of the universe that I don't know.

Originally posted by blitz77:Well, hell is a helluva lot worse than Dante's Inferno, let me tell you that.What, you've been there?We could say exactly the same thing about evolutionists. They ignore all the evidence which doesn't match their "theory".Hardly. Like I had said, you still don't (Probably won't) know what evolution is. Maybe you should read what I posted to Matt in "Is It Science" about the difference between science and religion?

Originally posted by blitz77:Please give me some inconsistencies in the manuscripts Christianity has. Ever heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls? All one has to do is compare these scrolls (That is if one can get full access to them) with the current bible and you will see that there are many inconsistencies.With only a few copies of Greek Mythology, its easy for it to be consistent. But with thousands of copies, translated into many languages, at different times....So, you are admitting that the bible isn't the literal and inerrant word of your god since it is so filled with inconsistencies?"Quality is more important than quantity."

Originally posted by blitz77:Random mutations + natural selection then. However, abiogenesis could certainly be classified as random chance.Define random chance in this context. Abiogenesis and evolution are two different concepts.

Originally posted by blitz77:Ever heard of NDEs?No, is it something like UFOs?I took a look. Could you explain the difference to me in your own words?Religion: "God did it and that is good enough for me..."Science: "Let's see what actually happened and maybe learn something new and different..."

Originally posted by blitz77:I read the statistics on it. Less than 1 word in a thousand is different, but synonymous. Give me a specific inconsistency between the manuscripts.Stats are like whores, they will open their legs for anyone. Plus good access to the scrolls is restricted. You are going by what they want you to know is in them.No, I am not. I'm just saying that with all those copies and languages, it is still consistent.Why don't you look up the books which have been removed because they didn't agree with what the Church wanted them to say.How do you define consistent, just the base message about god or all of the other stuff in it?With Greek Mythology all of it is consistent and more complete in also giving much details. What do we know of most of Christ's life from 12 to around 30? Almost nothing as if he were made out of whole clothe.[This message has been edited by nos482, 09-09-2002]

Originally posted by blitz77:Nope... NDEs are near death experiences. According to statistics, 33% of people near death experience an NDE, but quickly forget about it in a few days/weeks.Pilots have the exact same experience when they pull too many Gees.
It's the brain's way of coping with a loss of blood flow to it.http://leda.lycaeum.org/..._Near-Death_Experience.9260.shtmlhttp://leda.lycaeum.org/..._Near_Death_Experience.9264.shtmlPage not found - Dr Susan BlackmoreMmmm, really? Then why would we need scientific institutions such as ICR?HAHAHAHAHA! The ICR a scientific institution? Please, don't insult my intelligence. That is like saying that astrology is a valid science as well... Or that the National Enquirer is legitimate journalism.

Originally posted by blitz77:Science is based on statistics to check reliability of an experiment.What was meant is that when using stats one must also consider the motives involved as well. I.E. Like when an anti-abortion group had put out a "study" which claimed that abortions caused cancer. Their motives are suspect and they were proven wrong as well.The requested page was not foundWhich books?Exactly.MonaStereo.com is for sale | HugeDomains[This message has been edited by nos482, 09-09-2002]

Originally posted by blitz77:The difference between Greek Mythology and the account of Christ's life is the difference between legend and history. Go to Israel, and even the Jews there will admit that Jesus existed.Which Jews?And as for Greek mythology, archaelogists and historians think there might be at least a grain of truth in them. David Rohl equates Dionysis with Noah (both invented wine), and many other correlations between other cultural heroes and myths with the bible, eg Osiris with Noah (Osiris was tossed into a compartment/box/ark and cast into the water), as well as many other similarities. Take a read of David Rohl's 'Legend: The Genesis of Civilization'. David Rohl is the world famous Egyptologist (and no, he isn't a Christian).That is because there is much Greek influence in modern Christianity because the scribes, who translated it into Greek, were trained in the anicent Greek tradition as well.

Originally posted by Mammuthus:Hey nos482

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blitz used near death experience as experimental evidence for hell and the ICR as a scientific institution...should we book him for a stand-up comedy gig Maybe we could get him a job as the Wizard of OZ as well? BTW, I changed my reply regarding The usage of stats.[This message has been edited by nos482, 09-09-2002]

Originally posted by gene90:References to Hell can be found in the OT:As many Christians like to say, the OT is superseded by the NT.[Irrelevant crap deleted]

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Originally posted by blitz77:
Not quite-the OT complements the NT, and points to it.

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Have you heard of the New Covenant? I keep hearing from Christians that the OT is no longer needed because of this. They usually assert this whenever one points out how some justify their violence and hatred from the bible.[This message has been edited by nos482, 09-10-2002]