Simple to Complex - Reproduction

So, I hear from Creationists a lot that it's just impossible (or at least too damn unlikely) that evolution could start with a single celled organism, and wind up with us. That a single celled organism is too simple to change over generations into something as complex as mankind, no matter how much time passes.Now... maybe I'm being dense here, but isn't every single one of us the result of two extremely simple things complexifying into people? I'm not talking about evolution, I'm talking about the fact that each of us comes from sperm and ova.Starts really simple. Winds up really complex. Only takes nine months.

Hoof, I dunno. Biological Evolution, I guess? Maybe Miscellaneous Topics in C/E?

So, do any creationists wanna clear this up for me? By all appearances, the jump from simple to complex has happened to each and every one of us, not to mention the six billion-odd other people on the planet.Why is it so impossible?

Damn double-posting, grumble, grumble...This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 12-16-2004 03:53 PM

So what? Once the sperm and egg are produced, they're separate simple structures. I don't believe anyone has told you that, Mike. In fact, you've repeated the word "chance" somewhere in the neighborhood of fifty kajillion times within the last couple days, no matter how many times people patiently explain to you that it is not random chance.

Gee, Mike. Where did I ever say that the process was simple?We gotta get you a pair of ruby slippers and a terrier, because apparently the strawman is your best friend these days.

Yes. I said we start out as something simple, and become something complex. At no point did I say that the process by which this is accomplished was simple. You. Duh. In the passage I quoted. You said that the burden was on me to show how simple the process was.This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 12-17-2004 10:46 AM

Double post.This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 12-17-2004 10:45 AM

Oh, so now it's something different. Okay, what's so complicated about your average sperm?I don't understand. Please explain it to me.

I don't recall watching you type your post. But I can see the results, and extrapolate backwards.I guess technically you could have a helper monkey that types for you, but I think it's reasonable to assume that you typed it. Yeah, I know. That's why you going on about it is a strawman. I don't recall talking about random mutations or natural selection. I was talking about issues of complexity. You stuck your head that far inside a woman? That rules. Yeah, evolution has a lot more time to account for that much of an increase in complexity. You're a clone of your father? That's even cooler.(Ooook! pretty much nailed the rest of your points. Feel free to direct your attention upward in the thread to that post if you think I left anything out.)This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 12-22-2004 01:29 PM

Oh, well you said it was complicated. That explains it. Well, Mike said it. It's true.Gotta go now, Eliza's calling. She gets snippy if I don't tend to her needs once every hour or so.

Whoops... busy time of year, missed your post. Lemme get it now... My bad. Now it's just a strawman. Because I was asking about the sperm and egg. Take a gander at a single-celled organism, take a look at a human, and see for yourself. Do you really not see any differences? The mechanisms of evolution. But why are you bringing this up? The issue was whether it was possible to go from so very simple to so very complex, not what means are used for it to happen. If you'd like to say that the mechanisms of evolution themselves are unlikely, go start a topic.