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Phat
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Message 204 of 219 (166648)
12-09-2004 6:10 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by lfen
12-09-2004 2:31 PM


Re: What are you smoking?
I'll tell you some of the sources used by the apologists if you tell me yours.
I gotta go to work now, and its a pain copying all these names down. I'll get back to ya, though. One question: How do you and I agree on who is and is not an authority? For every naysayer there is an opponent. I suspect that we will not agree on this, but we will see.

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Phat
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Message 206 of 219 (166850)
12-10-2004 1:43 AM
Reply to: Message 205 by ramoss
12-09-2004 6:53 PM


Another look
OK, I looked up some of the sources that you mention. Ramoss, I can not say that these people are atheists. they certainly do not square with the Christian apologetic literature which I have read from the likes of Greg Boyd, R.C. Sproul, and Josh McDowell.
I found that Robert Kysar, Ph. D., is Professor of Preaching and New Testament at Candler School of Theology, Emory University, Atlanta. He is the author of many books about the Bible.Dr. Kysar is the author of nearly twenty books and scores of articles and reviews and videos. He is considered the national authority on the Gospel of John. During his career he has been active with social service agencies, college committees, community organizations, professional organizations and with the Lutheran Church.
I also saw the types of similar books mentioned with your source. My tradition is one of Biblical Inerrency, whereas these scholars are critics. Are they right? If so, does that negate the reality of a living Spirit and a living Word? I will concede that your source, although more from Lutheran/Catholic scholarship, is respected and thorough.
My only fear is some of that Gnostic stuff. It is definitely NOT of my Orthodox belief. My experiences have come more from the Charismatic impartated side of Christianity, whereas the respected sources that you mention are of the "study of religion" which includes the Gnostic stuff. Im still leery of educated wisdom, but I can readily see where many more people are leery of backwoods fundamentalism.
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Phat
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Message 216 of 219 (812685)
06-19-2017 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by jar
11-23-2004 2:37 PM


Re: Can you walk awhile with an old man?
jar writes:
GOD made a pact with the Jews.
GOD made a pact with the Christians.
They are not related in any way.
What was GODs specific pact with Christians?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Phat
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Message 218 of 219 (813351)
06-26-2017 9:45 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by jar
06-19-2017 3:20 PM


Re: Can you walk awhile with an old man?
I guess our old member PD showed this.
PD writes:
So Jesus gave Paul the authority to bring the name of Jesus before the Gentiles etc.
Not quite the same as speaking for God and declaring Judaism obsolete.
OK, so Paul said that the Jews refused Jesus...We have discussed your belief that Paul was trying to create a new religion. The Dispensationalists say that God reveals more of Himself through scripture in time.
Stam writes:
, God has revealed truth to man, not all at once, but a little at a time, historically. Noah knew more of God's revelation than Adam, Abraham than Noah, Moses than Abraham, the twelve than Moses, Paul than the twelve.
Of course, you will then resort to your belief that the Bible was written by man and that humans made up all of this! I like the idea that God has revealed a bit more of Himself to each generation throughout History. Comments?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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