Hauntings, Exorcisms and the Like

No worries. I am not here to prove or convince anything. I am just sharing. My experience is valid to me and just a real as the air I now breathe. Many have different theories about what I went through, however I believe I am inteligent enough to create my own stand point.
Maybe one day we will see eye to eye but no worries. I don't really care what others may think. I do respect your stand point though.
Thanks for the conversation. - Damian

Yes I agree.
The real I was speaking of was not only real in the "emotional" or "metaphysical" realm but also in the affirmations from many years of medical experience and rehabilitation of many patients.
If I would hazard to say, no matter how I may feel about the subject, my clinical findings would be as comparable to aspirin for many things.We can prove things chemically and through traditional scientific means yes, we can also prove things clinically through running averages. If something works 95% of the time consistently when compared to all other alternatives then there must be some sort of scientific validation because those numbers can't be chance. That is my thoughts on the matter.You do have a good point and I agree with you. When I was talking about real I wasn't just talking about intangible beliefs and feelings, I was also talking about my personal clinical results.

Well. I was one of them. An old new age friend Monique Levec was also pretty good. I don't let her do any energy work on me any more because I don't like that world too much. I have been out of it for quite some time now. So I am unsure who is still around. Another old friend Greg Goldie was phenomenal! However I think he burned that t-shirt as well. Have not spoken to him for almost 7 years. I would really like to catch up to him so if anyone has bumped into that 6 foot tall teddy bear please let me know. Yes. In fact I have done those preliminary studies myself. What you mention is more like the clinical trials I have done. For me to do it now I would have to blow out some cob webs and return magnify my energetic giftings back to 100%. As I said I am now about only 10% of where I used to be and I am glad for it. I feel far better ever since it has played a tertiary role in my life. But yes I can do it (or was able to do it) in the past and if I so chose to go down that road again, I should be able to prove those results. I say though. Find a practicing new-ager with these strong giftings and test them. I would rather not go down that dark road ever again. Especially now that I am out of it. yes that is no problem an by the way it is not a perception of temperature change. it is more of a parasthetic reaction (nerve impulse) not unlike when your arm falls asleep and your hand feels tingly. That type of sensation. People often describe it as tingly hot and cold. In the years of 1998 and 1996. Sutton Ontario, Kitchener Ontario, Newmarket Ontario. in class clinics and private facilities. like I said they were informal, just for my own mind to affirm itself. Sure I should be able to. At 10% of what I used to be, only 10% of the control group may sense the subtle events that happen, compared to the audience I did when I was more into that movement. Before I would subject myself to tests I would personally be most comfortable if I brought my level back to where it used to be. I struggle with the desire to do so honestly because I knew how much it heart me before. I am still at ends with the experience. Now 7 years later I am beginning to experiment again after completely dropping the ball. I am still un-sure how far I want to go.
I would say find another new-ager out there that can do the same things and test them. I am trying to think of one that was like me but for the life of me I can't remember one. I don't think i was that rare though... hmmmmm... I am sure there is someone out there.As for the money, I could care less. I need not prove anything to anyone. I many businesses, one of which will be making its first $100 million year this year. So money is not an object or an issue. Why would I subject myself to spiritual trama and be someone's monkey for a meezly 1 million dollars when I will soon be worth tens of millions of dollars without any pain?
Ask me 7 years ago and I would be up to the challenge. Maybe if I cared again I would bring my self back there but at this point I still remember vividly the terrible experiences I had and part of me adamantly refuses to venture anywhere near. Not unlike how people in train recks hate traveling in trains. I am working on it. Still undecided what to do.

Good questions. Remember my tests were just preliminary and for fun. Not to be submitted to an authority in any way.
People were not pressured to tell me they felt anything, most were there to prove the "lack" of my power. Yet a vast percentage of the audience experienced the familiar sensations (without communication with each other). I would have been happy if they told me I was wrong, but they continually proved themselves wrong. Those were fun days.
The positive results could not be accounted for anything else because every thing else worked. My treatment plan was quite effective and predictable. Depending on the case they would experience 30% to as much as 95% of their symptoms diminish while lying on the table. for the next half hour they would experience another 50% relief out of the original percentage (so if they experienced 40% relief up front, that number would then increase to 60%) The headache would be further relived through the day or night (to different amounts depending on the person). After 24 hours the symptoms would subside for a period. Depending on the cause of the headache it would return within 24 hours or 6 months to a year. Why the variation? Well if your headaches were due to allergens, the therapy would fix your headache while you left your environment. If you didn't return, your headaches would not return.
If your headache was due to cancerous growth, the symptoms would be alleviated while things fell in balance however the root would still be there, therefore the headache would return. The same goes for Motor Vehicle accident patients and muscular disorders, people with stress and dehydration. you get the idea.
Patients that received a placebo. me doing nothing or a friend doing a treatment or nothing at all would remain in pain. Depending on the cause of the headache it would alleviate in time (as most headaches do) or I would work on them the following day and offer the relief needed. I am sure I could have explained things better but I am out of time to revise. gotta go now.

Funny. You make me laugh.
My wife was surfing thorugh the site and saw the post. She used my account to write. She customarily does that to me often. it is kind of funey. She does identify herself as my wife wenever she posts in my name or replies to emails on by behalf, as my executive assistant I am comfortable with her using my ID in this way.

Thank you for making me laugh once again buzsaw . I appreciate your post.

Great posts you two. I take nothing personally schrafinator. I partly wish I was still in that arena to prove to science that there is more than meets the eye. The other part of me is ecstatic that I left that difficult past behind me. If I do bump into a new-ager (which I am not in those circles any more) with the giftings I once took for granted I will make a post. Part of me wishes I knew someone on the top of my head but most everyone I know in some way is a fraud. If I can put it politely.Yes it does seem a little strange to me that no one has stepped up to the plate. The most I can say is maybe I was a little more unique than I thought. I don't know. I know most strong new-agers stay away from the science world because all they seem to get from it is flack. Therefore I did not know about this prize when I was deep in the movement. Maybe that also plays a role. Next time I speak to old new age friends I will try to educate them. I am sure they can use the buck.
No worries I am not a "multi-millionaire" as of yet. As every businessman knows, new businesses grow on an exponential growth curve. After 5 years of work we are now riding that wave. I am not a millionaire but I am doing fairly well. I could give the million to charity but the personal sacrifice it would take to bring me back to even 90% of where I used to be would be too risky (at this point) in my eye. Why forsake such an important part of my life just to make a measly buck and prove a test. Maybe if my personal view changes toward the topic changes, I will take the scientists up on the offer. Maybe if I start practicing again in the coming years I may do so. It is not my desire to forsake my spirit for the gain of the flesh. Sorry. I sincerely wish I could do more. Sorry.
Yes there are charities that could benefit from 1 mill however I do not intend to go through the pain needed to get it through this route when I can obtain in through safer avenues. Like starting business in the drug world (which I am not by the way) the pay is astounding but the retirement plan is terrible. I dare not risk my health any more for anything. That is my personal stance As for experimental protocol: I am not a scientist. I come from a clinical background. If someone came to me that was in a Motor Vehicle Accident I would try different things [like physical lymph drainage, soft tissue rehabilitation etc.]. If my work produced positive results, I would do it again, if it proved the same results in 10 patients in a row, I would know there would be certain validity to the technique. This is what enabled me to become a better primary healthcare practitioner. Over of years I refined my approach through experience that is all. I had no desire to recruit test subjects in a formal manner and document with reams of scientific data because there was no need to do so. My only desire was to become the best practitioner I could be. Test data would simply stand in the way of my personal progress as a therapist. In hind site I almost wish I did a test or two but like I said back then I didn’t know where to go and what was available. I say I almost wish. It really matters not in the grand scheme of things. It would have just been a neat experience I guess.I sincerely hope I have answered all your questions and I do thank you for your conversationBuzsaw:
If it was the Mrs speaking she would identify herself up front. It is her custom. Thanks for asking.
We have 4 businesses. 3 we run together (as hobbies and play income). The fourth is the monster that is a three way ownership between me and two other partners.
I will not divulge my finances in this forum or any other for that matter, but what I can say is that we are at the beginning of the growth curve. It is quite an exciting time up here. We have a long way to go but we are getting there. In fact we are quite well on our way.
As for the margins. Yes the margins in software are quite good. We will see how things go. Pushing a big software business is a new process to me and took a great deal of thought and planning. Now is where the rubber meets the road. It is quite exciting that after years of planning and development we are riding the big wave. I would rather not talk too much about this subject because I desire to escape work when I am in the forum. I am open to answer your questions no problem but please be sensitive to that.
I work 12 — 15 hour days. Sometimes I feel as though I have enslaved myself with my own work. This is not such a bad thing because I know it is short term. It is forums like this that adds spice and variety to my day and plus I can never be too busy to share and learn. A good diet of brain juice is great for the mind and the body as they say.

Good post once again. No time to proofreadK.. I agree with both your points. Most don't want their beliefs to be shaken. Most scientists don't step foot in churches or mosks or whatever simply because 1) they think it is phoney (like new-agers believe science can't detect what is happening) 2) don't want their experience to be shaken to a movement of the spirit. If a "secular" scientist steps foot in a church he / she will automatically have a "closed heart" and not open to the possibilities because of their belief base. Those are just two observations on the top of my head. People are people and they like to keep things the same. Especially their belief base. That is why it seems so hard for anyone to accept any faith (other than ones they create in their own mind) in my humble opinion. All being said, there are some real healers out there. Let's look at this example:
Western science / medicine stands firm on its belief that cancer can only be cured by some barbaric (in my opinion) therapies with relatively low success rates. Chemo and Radiation Therapy. There is a doctor named Patrick Quillin I believe that treats severe cases of cancer with healthy alternative medicine. His success rate is FAR higher than the other two accepted therapies however western medicine laughs at his results and discounts his findings. I dont know why, it is almost like they dont want their beliefs to be shaken. Closed mindedness is a rampant disease in this world ‘. Feel free to check out their research and findings. As an aside Dr. Helda Clark and many others see cancer as a degenerative disease like scurvy and other diseases that can be treated with nutrition. I recall a story I read about a child that got serve in the current day. The doctors took months to try to figure out the swelling in the gums, prescribed pills of all sorts but completely forgot to ask what the child ate. They were all humiliated to find it was such a simple case of an ancient disease. If western medicine is so blind to see the obvious in so many cases, why would an average new age practitioner volunteer to subject themselves to tests will would shake the scientific world. They know that scientists acts like an old boys club in many ways and most know science is fast to grow in areas that require no belief base and slow to grow in areas closer to faith.
I am just asking these questions arbitrarily. They are not my beliefs. But I can see how new agers hesitate to put themselves in a lab when their even non new age colleagues practicing normal medicine is laughed out of that world. I dont blame them for not stepping out. Do you need to test everything you now understand to be real in your life? Did you test how water quenches thrust personally on a cellular level? Did you test to see if vitamin C was a good thing for you first hand? Can we afford to test everything in our lives? We all test what we feel needs to be tested and let our experience and knowledge from science, and doctors do the rest. If you are a parent and want to bring up your children well, your normally dont take control groups to decide how to bring them up. You rely on the findings of other doctors and parents and take action on that. If the clinical results are positive many people just do it. I did the same. Many do the same. Why re-prove what has already been proven. We know science will rebuke us anyway so why subject ourselves to that. The naturopaths have a hard enough time convincing health science that real nutrition plays a major role in health. Not pills that alleviate symptoms. Maybe once the most basic of nutritional science is not longer viewed as quackery you may find other fringe therapies beginning to step up to the plate.
In general no one wants to be ridiculed by an old boys club. I know you guys will try to eat me alive for this post and quite frankly these are just my beliefs and findings about the science world. I would rather not debate it because I may be unfounded. But that is how many people in natural medicine feel toward scientists and western science. Our voice is not heard because it does not want to be heard. Valid or not, this is how most feel and maybe that answers your questions as to why a person would not want to be a part of it. That and also what you mentioned.
I knew if I was tested and proven the scientists that submit the results of the test will find some way to debunk the tests and maintain their belief state. It is what science is truly good at. They will find some error in the control group or some way to discount the findings. I am so sorry, I would like to revise this post to make sure I am communicating effectively but I gotta go. Sorry.

Things are heating up here. time is running short. no time to proof read. Fantastic points my friend. You are bang on I believe. here are my thoughts All great points I will leave it at that.going back to the day where I was ALMOST able to knock someone out. They were starting to feel dizzy and about to drop to the floor before I stopped. I didn't want to hurth them. This was at the time when I was using energy and not God to do deep spiritual things. I could have done experements at that time and it would have been quantifyable. I don't know anyone else at the moment who was as crazy to try the same things I did because I am no longer in that world. In hind sight it would have been neat to make a scientists career. If Monique bumps me into someone I will definately point them into this forum and maybe then you will have someone "fresh" to test. My practise is a little out of date. You would need to test someone more current. Sorry I can't be of greater help but I will try where I can. Again, I am not in that world any more. how would energy defeat natural law? I don't understand? sorry. that is my point. through nutrition doctors believe foods can "prevent" heart disease and cancer but they believe nutrition can not "reverse" the effects of cancer. even though cellular biology points to the fact that it can. Because medical science wants to stick to the path of pharmateceutical medicine and not natural medicine, they strongly oppose findings like Helda
Clarke's. Yes science is important in just about every area of live however it is not perfect. as with anything there is always a percentage that is bias, pigheaded, closed minded, manipulative etc. That goes for everything, not just science, that also goes for government, religion and everything else. it is a shame that the corrupted percentage has negative effects on the general perception of the practise. That was my only point. It makes it hard for people on the leading "contravercial edge" to get support. Galleleo said the world was round and he was critized and ridiclued for it. People that said the one minute mile could be broken were in essence laughed out of auditoriums. You get the idea. There are definately some quacks out there though. often synicism weeds out those true quacks. fantastic point and I agree completely with you, as long as the tests can truly represent an effective analysis of the practitioner and not a biased look at the therapy. Maybe can't test live enzymes in a test therefore clinical results may be the only way. I think more new age practitioners should step up to the plate and prove their findings to the clinical public. I would love to see tests done on some of the "leading edge" practitioners and not the average schmoe. That is my thought. i appologise that is not what I was trying to say. I am sorry if in my haste to finish the letter i came off that way. Science is a beautiful thing. In fact it is one of my most favorate parts of living. Experiencing the advancement of life is quite exciting to say the least. Seeing tangible proof of new things often sends shivers down my spine. I am sorry if I came off that way.
That quote was just my personal oppinion based off of what I have seen regarding the over critical areas of science. Maybe I am completely wrong, maybe I am partly founded. I know there are a lot of GREAT scientists out there. I just hate seing great things being squashed by the percentage that likes squashing things to remain the same. That is all.
Once again gotta gooh!!! about research there should be plenty of research papers by Dr. Hulda Clark since she was a research scientist for the US government. Her biography is quite impressive. As for the other doctor, i understand he works at one of the largest cancer hospitals in the US. I don't remember which, you should be able to get him on the phone. That is if he did not die in the last 5 years. He is young but my info is now about maybe 5 years old. Anything can happen in 5 years. Good hunting. I am late for a meeting.

info on Patrick Quillin:Dr. Patrick Quillin is the Vice President of Nutrition for Cancer Treatment Centers of America. His professional experience includes work as an internationally respected author, lecturer, professor, and consultant in the field of nutrition.
He has earned his bachelor's, master's, and doctorate degrees in nutrition and is a registered dietitian (RD) and Certified Nutrition Specialist (CNS). He has appeared on numerous television and radio talk shows nationwide and is a regular speaker for medical conventions. He has been a consultant to the National Institutes of Health, Scripps Clinic, La Costa Spa, and United States Department of Agriculture; has taught college nutrition for 9 years, and worked as a hospital dietitian. His 8 books include the best sellers Healing Nutrients and Beating Cancer With Nutrition. He edited the textbook, Adjuvant Nutrition in Cancer Treatment and organized the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd international symposia on "Adjuvant Nutrition in Cancer Treatment. He is listed in "Who's Who in Science".

Info on Hulda Regehr Clark:Dr. Hulda Clark began her studies in biology at the University of Saskatchewan, Canada, where she was awarded the Batchelor of Arts, Magna Cum Laude, and the Master of Arts, with High Honors. After two years of study at McGill University, she attended the University of Minnesota, studying biophysics and cell physiology. She received her Doctorate degree in physiology in 1958. In 1979 she left government funded research and began private consulting on a full time basis. Today she now publishes her latest conclusions, advice for curing cancer and results in her book Cure For All Cancers.

great points pink. and I am not a fan of Benny Hin in the least. I will chose not to go there.
As for natural medicine, yes there have been some great breakthroughs but why are these breakthroughs not public known to the public and implimented by doctors at large. Why do we rely so heavily on antiquated practises and not catch up with the new?
It is frustrating some times. Why are these proven results continualy thrown in the waste basket of the medical minds and not embrased as a true form of healing. I don't know.
I am tired of beating this topic. I was enjoying where things went. Great posts. I won't stand in the way. let's not beat this dead horse unless someone has an educated answer to my frustrated questions. and about the 4 minute mile. oops!! typeo

Thank you pink verry well put. Thank you sincerely.Thank you also nosyNed. your input is truly valued to me.

well put. Here here.

Never thought of it that way. True.