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jar
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Message 13 of 127 (162801)
11-23-2004 10:25 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by crashfrog
11-23-2004 1:44 AM


Did Silver Bullets only work for the Lone Ranger?
Can Tonto shoot them Silver Bullets?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 29 of 127 (163260)
11-25-2004 10:53 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by lfen
11-25-2004 8:16 PM


I've been through Demonic Posession
I went through a Demonic Possession several times. The first time was in California in 1969. I was living in San Buena Ventura in a house in the Ventura Keys. It was a clear December morning, the Santana winds were sweeping down from the high desert and the ice plant covered the slopes of the yards in a succulent green glow with dainty pink flowers.
We had planned for a special meal and so my wife and I got into the car and headed off to the restaurant. As we backed out of the driveway we felt the first unsettling auras. The feeling continued throughout the drive, a clear almost electric feeling in the air. As we pulled into the restaurant we first heard the voices. My wife and I immediately glanced out the left front window and there, bigger than life, was the apparition. The voice was otherworldly, as though it came from far, far away. The apparition was like a great white Ball, a caricature of a human face, blue eyes, leering red slice of a mouth and a black square where a nose might go.
Before it even spoke again we knew what it would say. It would offer to fill our every wish, the price would be modest, something we could afford. It always starts like that, the Demon offers much and it is only later you find the real costs. And, as expected, so it happened.
What do you want, asked the apparition?
I knew that unless we responded with the Name, it would fulfill our requests and we would be committed.
So I called out the one name I knew it could not stand. I’ll have an Orange Julius, I said.
At the sound of the Name, Orange Julius the voice stuttered, was stricken and near speechless.
All we heard was a small voice saying, But this is Jack in the Box.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 39 of 127 (163305)
11-26-2004 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by Buzsaw
11-26-2004 9:15 AM


Re: I've been through Demonic Posession
Mmmm, how would this sort of post set with admin, say if a skeptical creo were to introduce it into a busy science thread debating the probability of RM/NS for the explanation of things observed?
I hope that they would chuckle right along with everyone else. I'd even like to think that there exists a creo with the originality to come up with something similar, but I doubt that is possible.
But you do realize, that would not be a comparable event. Not at all. Now if you had suggested "say if a skeptical evo were to introduce it into a busy science thread" it would be closer to the mark.
Remember, I am speaking as a Christian and saying, "so far there is no evidence whatsoever that there is any such thing as Demonic Posession, hautings, ghosts or spirits."
If you wish to believe in such things it's fine, I believe in the Holy Spirit. But you should not be surprised when folk simply doubt such things until you can supply some credible evidence.
Remember, I said in that post I had been through several Demonic Posessions. Wait for the next account.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 41 of 127 (163342)
11-26-2004 2:40 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Buzsaw
11-26-2004 11:06 AM


Re: I've been through Demonic Posession
However, I can't document specifics off hand,...
As always.
but it seems that there have been occasions where creos have been admonished for fickleness in science threads.
I see you negeleted to address the fact that I am not a creo in an evolution thread but a Christian in a theology thread.
Your inconsistency is telling.
Where. If you'd look you'd find I said:
quote:
If you wish to believe in such things it's fine, I believe in the Holy Spirit. But you should not be surprised when folk simply doubt such things until you can supply some credible evidence.
Believe in the unbelievable is fine. It is only when you expect others to accept it as fact that you'll have troubles unless you can provide some evidence.
The same book that taught you about the supernatural Holy Spirit is the book that teaches about the reality of supernatural demon posession, ghosts and spirits, is it not?
And it is a book filled with fancy and tales, many of which are simply not true but rather allegory. Some examples are the Creation Myth, the Garden of Eden, Adam and (St)Eve, the Fall, the Flood, Exodus, the Conquest of Canaan, casting the demons into the swine, all of Revelations and many other fanciful tales.
Imo, that's not too bright of you.
That does not surprise me somehow.

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jar
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Message 46 of 127 (163425)
11-27-2004 3:10 AM
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11-27-2004 12:13 AM


Re: The answer is what caused the dream
Still is. Why he was five for five on 2004 election/terrorism predictions.

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jar
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Message 61 of 127 (163509)
11-27-2004 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Dynamo321
11-27-2004 1:41 PM


Re: ok. A piece of my mind
I have a personal friend that is a retired special operations (classified) sniper.
Get me his name and unit and I'll be glad to find out for you if he's telling the truth or just blowing smoke.
Yes scientists say definitively that there is no God.
Scientists may well say so. Other scientists may believe in GOD. Science has no say whatsoever on whether or not GOD exists.
That statement is based on faith yet often misleadingly trying to be proven by hiding behind the evolution theory.
The Theory of Evolution has nothing to do with whether or not GOD exists.
By the way, evolution explains the origins of the earth in a nice pretty story; does that prove there is no God?
Again, you simply don't know what you are talking about. The Theory of Evolution has nothing to do with the origins of the earth. In addition, it has nothing to do with whether or not GOD exists. I think you've been told this before.
The main question of this thread has been answered.
True. There is no evidence and no evidence has been presented to support the existence of Hauntings, Exorcisms and the Like. While it is fine for someone to belive in spirits, GODs or demons, there is no hard evidence they exist.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 64 of 127 (163572)
11-27-2004 8:31 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Buzsaw
11-26-2004 11:06 AM


Another Demonic posession experience.
Many years ago I was visiting a friend, a Unix guru I'd originally met through the old Usenet news groups, on the Upper Peninsula and they were nice enough to take me ice fishing. We had a wonderful day, it was bitter cold outside yet inside their hut the temperature was fine, chilly but bearable. The food was good (bacon and beans cooked over an alcohol stove), there was plenty of coffee to drink and great companionship. We didn't catch anything but except for the fact my friend felt he had let me down, I don't think anyone minded.
Sitting there in the little hut was somewhat unsettling. Although it was dark outside, a very clear patch of ice along one side picked up the light from outside and it was almost as though that area were lit from underneath.
Every once in a while the ice would creak and groan and sometimes you'd hear what sounded like a shot going off. No one else seemed to even notice the sounds or to feel the movements in the ice from time to time.
It was a strangely issolated experience in that little hut. He said his was smaller than most and that many were actually quite large. I believed him since several that we saw were considerably bigger than his. He said the folk were generally friendly and as a visitor to the area if I stopped at one I'd most likely be welcomed.
As I said, we didn't catch anything and the next day, being Monday, he went back to work. More to amuse myself than anything else I decided to drive out to one of the bigger shacks and see what others could teach me about the arcane art of ice fishing.
I got to a likely spot and it was considerably bigger than his. No one was there but I figured I'd at least give it a try myself. I set about to cut a hole in the ice. Then I heard it. A strange rumbling and a voice. It said, "Rot Their Teen".
Now I got to admit that made no sense at all, "Rot TheirTeen.
But the voice came again,"Rot TheirTeen",like a command.

Rot Theirteen

I look around and there was no one else I could see in the shack, I was all alone.
Then the voice came back, booming, loud, otherworldly.
It sounded like...

Lbh jvyy pngpu ab svfu.

"What did you say", I shouted?

Lbh jvyy pngpu ab svfu.

Again I asked, pleadingly, "What was that?"

Lbh jvyy pngpu ab svfu.

and the word, clear this time,

GO!

"Why", I asked?

Orpnhfr vg’f n ubpxrl evax, fghcvq.

came the booming answer from above.
I had no idea what that meant but I can take a hint from above. Needless to say I got out of that place, back in my car and went straight back to my friends house.
That night over dinner when we tired of talking computer stuff, I mentioned my experience. He just laughed at me and said one day I'd learn the truth of what happened.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 66 of 127 (163599)
11-27-2004 9:17 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Asgara
11-27-2004 9:06 PM


Re: Another Demonic posession experience.
Could well be. There WAS a certain toothless quality to the Demonic Voice. It was kind of a Boom Boom sound like a rampant Geoffrion.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 69 of 127 (163612)
11-27-2004 10:14 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by lfen
11-27-2004 10:10 PM


Re: ok. A piece of my mind
Sufficient.

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jar
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Message 79 of 127 (163683)
11-28-2004 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Dynamo321
11-28-2004 12:45 PM


At a minimum call it the right thing.
Particularly when it is a copyrighted (note: not patented but Copyrighted) proceedure. It's the Upledger method named after the guy that copyrighted the technique.
Were you talking about one of his one week wonders or someone with the full two week course?
Again, so far you have offered no more evidence than I have for the experiences I posted. In fact, I may have shown more support since another memeber here on the board not only had similar experiences but knows of many who shared such hauntings.
By the way, those were not the only incidents. More horrific stories to follow. Stay tuned.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 97 of 127 (163882)
11-29-2004 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by sidelined
11-29-2004 10:58 AM


Re: Real Experience
Two people using the same login. Gender neutral postings.

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