Meaning of Daniel 8:13-14 ?

ah, look who's back. h-word 04100 "what" means "how?" or "of what kind?"
g-word 1260 "reasoned" or "derived" means "to bring together different reasons, to reckon up the reasons, to reason, revolve in one's mind, deliberate"
h-word 01695 "closer" means "clinging, adhering to"
h-word 0259 "first" or "original" means "one"
h-word 0998 "meaning" means "understanding, discernment"so, "what kind of reasons have you resolved in your mind, clinging to one understanding?"don't look at me, you asked the question, not me.This message has been edited by Arachnophilia, 11-17-2004 04:31 AM

h-word 01931 "it" means "he, she, it" or "himself (with emphasis)"
h-word 07200 "appear" means "to see, look at, inspect, perceive, consider"
h-word 00369 "not" means "nothing"
h-word 07121 "read" means "call out"
h-word 04941 "right" means "judgement"there is no hebrew word for "quite" it's formed by repeating the verb, in this case "read"so, what you're really saying is:

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he percieves nothing he reads, call out his judgement

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you're right, this is fun!This message has been edited by Arachnophilia, 11-17-2004 08:28 PM

oh, that's old.the joke is that i'm turning his own message against him, using his methods. as my previous post indicates, logic, persuation, and nitpicking do not work. maybe demonstration will.if i get bored with this, maybe i'll start using a modern english thesaurus. or bible-(de)code his messages or something. that would be fun too.

i don't feel like correcting every false statement you have made, but here's one you probably didn't even know. concordances don't cover what the word means, just where it occurs. strong himself never made definitions of the words, just common usages in the kjv.

he thinks there are secret messages in the bible about cd-roms that can be decoded by [incorrectly] using strong's concordance.

don't encourage him.strong's concordance is not a tool for translation in the way he is using it. it is good for providing contextual meanings of words, and that it all. the bible is not some kind of secret code book that has to be cracked using a study tool written 2000 years later.i wasn't joking when i said he's looking for secret messages about cd-roms. read his older posts. i've been debating with him for a while.right now, i'm trying to demonstrate why this kind of "decoding" is wrong, by decoding his posts.

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Pro 10:25 As the whirlwind passeth, so [is] the wicked no [more]: but the righteous [is] an everlasting foundation.

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h-word 05492 "whirlwind" mean's storm-wind, but comes from 05486 meaning "stop." in water, a whirlwind would be called an "eddy"
h-word 05674 "passeth" means "to pass over or by or through, alienate, bring, carry, do away, take, take away, transgress"
h-word 07563 "wicked" means "guilty" or "criminal"
h-word 06662 "righteous" means "just"
h-word 05769 "everlasting" means "peretual" but comes from 05956 meaning "to hide"
h-word 03247 "foundation" means "base" but comes from 03245 meaning "to fix"so,stop eddy from his trangressions, wickedly just hiding his fixes.no?more from you

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The point of this exercise is that, if we have been told the wrong start and end

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h-word 08376 "point" means "to mark out"
h-word 04639 "excercise" (operation) means "deed" or "work"
h-word 0582 "we" means "man"
h-word 05046 "told" means "to be conspicuous"
h-word 02555 "wrong" means "violence"
h-word 07225 "start" (beginning) means "first, beginning, best, chief" which comes from 07218 maning "head"
h-word 07093 "end" comes from 07112 meaning "to cut off"so,mark out the work of this conspicuous man violently; cut off his head.

well have a look at my decodings of his messages. i'm using the same technique. how valid are my "translations?"and seriously, go have a look at his older messages.

no. that's like saying the bible codes are valid. it's just simply wrong. he can think it if he wants, sure, but he's wrong.if you look at his previous threads, i've posted HUNDREDS of times explaining every logical fallacy, improper conclusion, distortion, and bad methodology, and why each bit is wrong.

have you seen my decodings of his post? see the one up above. how do you KNOW that he's not encoding secret messages telling me to cut off his head?what he's doing is taking a hebrew text (600 bc), which has been translated into greek (200 bc), and re-translated into modern (1600's) english, and then looking at a book that catalogs where each word is used in the text and their understood meanings (in the 1800's), and using it to re-translate the english text into whatever meaning he wants.this is an invalid method. here, his meaning is not THAT far from the original, but i do not think that the hebrew were writing about cd-roms, computers, and the like. this is a case of major crackpottery.if we want a good translation, it's a lot better to take the most direct route. meanings are distorted VERY far even after going through just a few languages. and the origin of the root does not always indicate the meaning or context of the word. strong's concordance is not a decoder ring, and it was not designed to change meanings.

look:he said this:

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The point of this exercise is that, if we have been told the wrong start and end

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but did he really mean this?

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mark out the work of this conspicuous man violently; cut off his head.

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because that's what i decoded it to, using his methods. is what i did valid, or reflect the intentions of the author, or what he meant? do you think he's really secretly telling us that we should behead him?

sure, but he doesn't seem to understand why what he's doing is incorrect.and it's not subjective matter of whether i think it's right or wrong. i think i have demonstrated rather objectively that his methods are completely erronious.i've even said numerous times: i have no problem with believing in time travellers and that they altered biblical history. i'm fine with his crackpot idea, he can have it. but his methods are in question, not his belief.

oh, this should be interesting. i think i'll take a back seat for a while. i do highly suggest you go find his earlier posts, though.

hahahahahahahahahaha ok sorry.(look up the word "irony.")

"day" as in genesis 1:14 יום"year" as also in genesis 1:14 שנהThis message has been edited by Arachnophilia, 11-30-2004 01:30 AM