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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
ah, look who's back.
Is what I have derived closer to the original meanings ?
h-word 04100 "what" means "how?" or "of what kind?"g-word 1260 "reasoned" or "derived" means "to bring together different reasons, to reckon up the reasons, to reason, revolve in one's mind, deliberate" h-word 01695 "closer" means "clinging, adhering to" h-word 0259 "first" or "original" means "one" h-word 0998 "meaning" means "understanding, discernment" so, "what kind of reasons have you resolved in your mind, clinging to one understanding?" don't look at me, you asked the question, not me. This message has been edited by Arachnophilia, 11-17-2004 04:31 AM
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
It appears not to read quite right h-word 01931 "it" means "he, she, it" or "himself (with emphasis)"h-word 07200 "appear" means "to see, look at, inspect, perceive, consider" h-word 00369 "not" means "nothing" h-word 07121 "read" means "call out" h-word 04941 "right" means "judgement" there is no hebrew word for "quite" it's formed by repeating the verb, in this case "read" so, what you're really saying is:
quote: you're right, this is fun! This message has been edited by Arachnophilia, 11-17-2004 08:28 PM
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
oh, that's old.
the joke is that i'm turning his own message against him, using his methods. as my previous post indicates, logic, persuation, and nitpicking do not work. maybe demonstration will. if i get bored with this, maybe i'll start using a modern english thesaurus. or bible-(de)code his messages or something. that would be fun too.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
i don't feel like correcting every false statement you have made, but here's one you probably didn't even know.
Strong was not happy with the KJV translation, so about 200 years later he listed the original Hebrew (and Greek) meanings of the words from the Bible. concordances don't cover what the word means, just where it occurs. strong himself never made definitions of the words, just common usages in the kjv.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
I am not quite sure what you are asking. I belive that the passages in the Bible no matter the version are different to each person. I don't know if that helps, but I hope it does. Perhaps you can explain your question again? he thinks there are secret messages in the bible about cd-roms that can be decoded by [incorrectly] using strong's concordance.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
First off, I tip my hat to you for your brilliance. That would be very interesting if you did go look through history for such things, and I think you will find them. Other than that, I am not well versed enough in the Bible to be a real part of this discussion, but thank you for introducing me to such a new idea about the Bible and it's translation don't encourage him. strong's concordance is not a tool for translation in the way he is using it. it is good for providing contextual meanings of words, and that it all. the bible is not some kind of secret code book that has to be cracked using a study tool written 2000 years later. i wasn't joking when i said he's looking for secret messages about cd-roms. read his older posts. i've been debating with him for a while. right now, i'm trying to demonstrate why this kind of "decoding" is wrong, by decoding his posts.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
quote: h-word 05492 "whirlwind" mean's storm-wind, but comes from 05486 meaning "stop." in water, a whirlwind would be called an "eddy"h-word 05674 "passeth" means "to pass over or by or through, alienate, bring, carry, do away, take, take away, transgress" h-word 07563 "wicked" means "guilty" or "criminal" h-word 06662 "righteous" means "just" h-word 05769 "everlasting" means "peretual" but comes from 05956 meaning "to hide" h-word 03247 "foundation" means "base" but comes from 03245 meaning "to fix" so, stop eddy from his trangressions, wickedly just hiding his fixes. no? more from you
quote: h-word 08376 "point" means "to mark out"h-word 04639 "excercise" (operation) means "deed" or "work" h-word 0582 "we" means "man" h-word 05046 "told" means "to be conspicuous" h-word 02555 "wrong" means "violence" h-word 07225 "start" (beginning) means "first, beginning, best, chief" which comes from 07218 maning "head" h-word 07093 "end" comes from 07112 meaning "to cut off" so, mark out the work of this conspicuous man violently; cut off his head.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
well have a look at my decodings of his messages. i'm using the same technique. how valid are my "translations?"
and seriously, go have a look at his older messages.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
no. that's like saying the bible codes are valid. it's just simply wrong. he can think it if he wants, sure, but he's wrong.
if you look at his previous threads, i've posted HUNDREDS of times explaining every logical fallacy, improper conclusion, distortion, and bad methodology, and why each bit is wrong.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
But how do you know that he's wrong if the Bible speaks differently to each person? I think that's what it's mostly about, and if he looks hard enough for something, he'll find what he's after. have you seen my decodings of his post? see the one up above. how do you KNOW that he's not encoding secret messages telling me to cut off his head? what he's doing is taking a hebrew text (600 bc), which has been translated into greek (200 bc), and re-translated into modern (1600's) english, and then looking at a book that catalogs where each word is used in the text and their understood meanings (in the 1800's), and using it to re-translate the english text into whatever meaning he wants. this is an invalid method. here, his meaning is not THAT far from the original, but i do not think that the hebrew were writing about cd-roms, computers, and the like. this is a case of major crackpottery. if we want a good translation, it's a lot better to take the most direct route. meanings are distorted VERY far even after going through just a few languages. and the origin of the root does not always indicate the meaning or context of the word. strong's concordance is not a decoder ring, and it was not designed to change meanings.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
look:
he said this:
quote: but did he really mean this?
quote: because that's what i decoded it to, using his methods. is what i did valid, or reflect the intentions of the author, or what he meant? do you think he's really secretly telling us that we should behead him?
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
sure, but he doesn't seem to understand why what he's doing is incorrect.
and it's not subjective matter of whether i think it's right or wrong. i think i have demonstrated rather objectively that his methods are completely erronious. i've even said numerous times: i have no problem with believing in time travellers and that they altered biblical history. i'm fine with his crackpot idea, he can have it. but his methods are in question, not his belief.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
oh, this should be interesting. i think i'll take a back seat for a while. i do highly suggest you go find his earlier posts, though.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Look up the word "anachronism". hahahahahahahahahaha ok sorry. (look up the word "irony.")
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
In Genesis 1:14 'days' as a period of time can refer to 'years', and in Strong’s Concordance Greek word #2250 days gives ‘day, age, time, years’, confirming this biblical exchanging of time values. "day" as in genesis 1:14 יום "year" as also in genesis 1:14 שנה This message has been edited by Arachnophilia, 11-30-2004 01:30 AM
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