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Author Topic:   Is a Concept of a Designer unscientific?
crashfrog
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Message 3 of 26 (147114)
10-04-2004 3:06 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Kelly. J. Wilson
10-03-2004 11:26 PM


Having said that, a forensic scientist, who may be forced to attempt a possible reconstruction of a murder, a murder which may have been unobserved and is certainly unrepeatable, would be rather offended is his work were referred to as unscientific.
Indeed he would, because that would be inaccurate, just as it's inaccurate to say that his work is not repeatable.
Each test the forensic scientist performs is individually repeatable. His work is repeatable, falsifiable, and scientific. To say that forensic science is not repeatable is to betray a staggering ignorance of the scientific method.
There is science that is not empirical, or not operable, and it remains a science.
No, there's not.
Scientists who identify themselves as creationists presuppose that a god exists, while those who identify themselves as evolutionists presuppose that a god does not exist
To the contrary, since most Christians believe that evolution is accurate and are, therefore, evolutionists, we know that some evolutionists suppose that there is a god. Others, like me, do not. This is irrelevant to the veracity of evolution, which has nothing to do with gods.
If evidence is interpreted as showing design in living organisms, then is it truly unscientific to conclude that there was a Designer?
If a designer can be substantiated by evidence, then it would not be unscientific to conclude a designer, no. What's unscientific is every attempt, so far, by creationists and ID'ists to substantiate their god based on nothing but human ignorance about natural processes.

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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
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Message 18 of 26 (147612)
10-05-2004 5:09 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by agnostic
10-05-2004 7:56 AM


This is only you first post and you've already been insulted by "betraying a staggering ignorance of scientific method" How rude and unwelcoming!
If someone had serious misconceptions about the prosecution of the scientific method, what would you call it but ignorance?
You seem to think that's a dirty word. I disagree. To paraphrase Winston Churchill, I may be ignorant, but you're ugly. But I can always study.
For someone who has made an average of 10 posts a day for 17 months (yes over 6000) I would expect a little more consideration for a newbie.
When folks roll in and ask honest questions, I'm invariably polite, to such an extent that people wonder what the fuck is wrong with me.
But when folks roll in and act like the know everything, when it's obvious they don't, then I don't feel particularly inclined to cut them a lot of slack. She knew the risks of acting like a know-it-all; namely, that people who do know way more than you won't take kindly to it.
This message has been edited by crashfrog, 10-05-2004 04:10 PM

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