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Author Topic:   FASCINATING CORROBORATION OF ALL BIBLE PROPHECY
PaulK
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Message 11 of 43 (118041)
06-23-2004 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by kendemyer
06-23-2004 3:16 PM


I did have a little look at one of the sites giving dates and checked out one of the claims. Since the claim was based in the Bible it certainly should have checked out.
The site I looked at was:
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(3) The First Temple, Solomon's Temple, was destroyed in 586-587 B.C. on the ninth of Av. The Babylonians fought their way into the Temple on Av 7, and ate and caroused there until Av 9, and at evening, set the Temple on fire. It burned all night and through the next day, Av 10. See Jeremiah 52:12-13.
What Jeremiah 52:12-13 says is
12 Now on the tenth day of the fifth month, which was the nineteenth year of King Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, Nebuzaradan the captain of the bodyguard, who was in the service of the king of Babylon, came to Jerusalem.
13 He burned the house of the LORD, the king's house and all the houses of Jerusalem; even every large house he burned with fire.
So all it says is that the man responsible for the burning ARRIVED on the 10th of Av. No fight, no carousing and the burning could not have started until the 10th of Av at the earliest.
You would think that the writer would actually check what the Bible says. Or did he just assume that nobody else would check ?
And there are other dates that could be taken as significant.
The Babylonian army arrives on the tenth day of the tenth month (52:4)
The people run out of food on the nineth day of the fourth month, leading to the fall of Jerusalem. (52:6-7)
Some time after that Zedekiah is caught, his sons killed before his eyes, he is blinded and sent to Babylon (52:9-11)
I have now checked the following claim:
9) In 1914, on Av 9, World War I was declared, as Russia mobilized for war and launched bitter persecutions against Jews in Russia, which led many Jews to emigrate to the Holy Land to escape.
Germany's Declaration of War on Russia was the day before - the 8th - August 1 1914. Russia's mobilisation was earlier - July 29. But of course for the start of WW I there is the Assassination of the Archduke (June 28), Austria-Hungary's Declaration of War on Serbia (July 28) and Austria-Hungary was at war with Russia by August 6.
(http://collections.ic.gc.ca/turner/tline1.html)
So they are wrong on two easily checked claims.

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Message 16 of 43 (139099)
09-02-2004 9:03 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by kendemyer
09-01-2004 5:27 PM


Re: TO: Paulk and Willowtree
a) The text of Jeremiah 52:12-13 is clear enough. It is also the reference given by your source. If you think that the plain reading is wrong and some other approach that gives a meaning more to your liking is correct you will have to justify such a claim.
As it stands Jeremiah 52:12-13 states that Nebuzaradan arrived on the 10th Av and that it is he who burnt the Temple. Obviously he could not burn the Temple before he arrived. The only reference givan by your source contradicts the claim.
b) Of course I used a Hebrew calendar, although at this late date I don't remember the site where I found it. Let us note however that the mobilisation of Russia (unsurprisingly) preceded the Declaration of War by 3 days. There is no way that both could have occurred on 9th Av as your source claims.
I also repeat my observation that in both cases there are other dates that could be declared significant.

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Message 23 of 43 (139490)
09-03-2004 5:22 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by kendemyer
09-02-2004 3:43 PM


Re: TO: Paulk and Willowtree
I don't need to iumprove on my exegesis. One reference was given, I followed it and reported what I found. I need do no more.
If there are references that prove Jeremiah wrong then those should have been produced instead. If the Jerusalem Talmud is the REAL source of the claim that should have been referenced instead of Jeremiah. And at this stage to suppport your claim you have to prove Jeremiah wrong.
If your source provides a reference - and it contradicts what they say then *I* don't need to do any more research. I don't need to go looking for other sources that MIGHT support them. If you want to do that then that's up to you - but it is no fault on my part.
As for your "offer" to stop lying about me if I'll lie about the Bible for you, I reject it with the contempt it deserves.

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Message 33 of 43 (140271)
09-06-2004 6:10 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by kendemyer
09-03-2004 4:22 PM


Re: TO: Paulk and Willowtree
If your source wanted to refer to 2 Kings rather than Jeremiah they should have done so. And yet neither states that the Temple was burned on the ninth. All we have is a disagreement on when Nebuzardan arrived.
And I am sorry to inform you that it is your job to support your claims and to do the research necessary. Perhaps your attitude that toehrs should do your work for you explains why one of our sources refers to the "wrong" verses of the Bible.

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