New Book: Kerry ‘Unfit for Command’

Jar, I'm winging it, however the only way God could of authored the Bill of Rights is if it was inspired (taken from) from the Christian Bible, meaning the founding fathers were Committed Christians involved within the government(no separation of the church from involvement in government, etc...)(that this is a lie that christians were not a part of the process), however, Jefferson shouldn't of included the occult,infidels within the Virgina constitution, etc...

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Jar, I'm winging it....

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No kidding.

Be sure and tell him so next time you see him.If you had dynamite for brains, whatever, there wouldn't be enough to blow your nose.

Winging it? ROTFLMAO God did not author the Bill of Rights. If there is any one that can be considered the author of the Bill of Rights, he was residing in Gunston Hall.

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Coragyps, It is quite interesting that a TJ, gave credit of the authorship of the Bill of Right to God, however, Mr. Kerry and the globalists are lying to the American people, leading the attack is the senior senator from Massachussets, (yep) Mr. Teddy Kennedy, quite busy filibustering conservative federal judge nominees cause of their Christian beliefs (when it has no basis, cause of TJ inclusion of Christians in the crafting of laws), it obvious the importance the bill of right were drawn from the Christian bible, meaning that men of faith are being encouraged to draw from Gods Authorship in the crafting of laws, which the democrats disagree, that Christians shouldn't be a part of the process, however TJ inference to their using the authorship of God, clearly includes Christians in the process of government, and not their exclusion from it, etc...

Here we go again. ROFLOL. winging it again.Classic whatever, when boxed in by facts on one argument go back to another and pretend that the facts that boxed that argument in no longer apply. WHERE is it obvious? WHERE is the reference that shows it must be christian?you never give up being wrong do you?sheesh.

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You know that is not true so stop saying it.Please show us where in the Bill of Rights Mr. Jefferson said that or quit saying it.

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Jar, TJ was not quoting the Bill of Rights, just announcing to the whole world that the Bill of Right were authored by God. The point being the crafters of the Bill of Rights, drew from the authorship of God, being the Word of God (THE HOLY BIBLE), etc...

Well, let's look at that assertion as well. Can you stand to be shown to be blowing smoke out your ass once again?Here is some idea of how Mr. Jefferson felt about the influence of Clergy in politics and the schools. And to finally settle the question of Christianity and the Constitution...

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Jar, TJ basically is saying the Bill of Rights authorship by drawn from the the HOLY BIBLE, one fact stands out is that the crafters of the Bill of Rights, The Constitution, The Declaration of Independence drew from the authorship of the Holy Bible (Not TJ's bible), probably the authorized KJV, all TJ was saying to the baptist is that they could be a part of due process, as long as they didn't make laws favoring their religion, and from others crafting laws favoring their religious doctrines, and there was going to be this freedom of tolerance between the christian religions, in Virginia TJ included the infidels, and occult, but this is not so in the US Constitution, meaning that the church can be involved in the crafting of laws, not sure about Virginia, likely Jerry Falwell has already challenged the Virginian Constitution bill of rights, in how that it conflicts with the US Constitution's Bill of Rights, in the freedom to participate in the due process of government, etc...P.S. When he was talking to the baptist in a letter, he was basically saying they could be a part of the government process, but they couldn't be making laws so their religion becomes the established state denomination, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof of a different denomination, he was saying they recieved the separation protection from other denominations from crafting laws to prevent their freedom to free exercise thereof, its called being tolerant, not that they couldn't be involved in government laws favoring their denominations, meaning nothing wrong with drawing inspiration from the bible to the crafting of laws, as long as its not favoring your denomination, or the infringing on another denomination.This message has been edited by whatever, 08-29-2004 03:16 AM

I take this opportunity to state that whatever's posts, not only on this one issue but throughout this thread are all a matter of GiGo.This realy would be "Comedy Central" material if it wasn't so pathetically contrary to long established facts. This isn't a matter of having a wrong opinion, but of being consistently, willfully, unreasonably, insistantly and repeatedly wrong.It raises my opinion of bush, and that's a hard task. If Crawford doesn't get it's village idiot returned in November ...

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Great! Now that we have that all cleared up, I want to remind everyone that in a previous post, whatever claimed

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The U.N. Charter declares that all human rights are derived from the U.N.

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For your perusal, here is a link to the U.N. charter. There is noting in the charter that says anything about human rights being derived from the U.N. So, whatever, will you care to amaze us with your keen understanding of international law?

Chiroptera, Thomas Jefferson said The United States Bill of Rights Authorship came by God, meaning men of faith drew from the Word of God, in the making of the US Bill of Rights. I could find no place in the UN Charter wherein the UNITED NATIONS gives God the Credit for the authorship of their Bill of Rights, meaning they don't allow men of faith to give God the credit, but credits man, the brotherhood of man, etc...P.S. The United Nations bill of rights then was authored by the Nation members of the UN. It came about by the United effort by the Nations of the UN, so how can one not say its laws were derived by the United combined effort of the Nation members, etc...

Razd, It appears that there is no separation clause from church involvement in government, other than 501 c3 mandates put in place to keep the church's silent(Kent Hovind who is not a member of the 501 c3)and does not pay taxes, (is able to be quite vocal because he is not a 501 c3 member)didn't sign his right to freedom of speech away, etc..., therefore there is no basis for Teddy Kennedy and company to filibuster conservative federal judge nominee's based on their religion affiliations, or to prevent the crafting of laws based on the Authorship of the bible, as should be self evident in the crafting of the bill of rights, the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and this visiblility statement given with the ten commandments within the supreme court chambers, etc...P.S. I think we would all like Jerry Falwell to be the President, and he actually would make a great president, able to craft laws not favoring his denomination, or another denomination, However were really have only two choices, and Kerry is not one of them, cause of his record of treason, aiding comfort to the enemy, since I'm not partial to Ralph Nader environmentalisms, one really can only vote for George W. Bush. It would of really helped Mr. Kerrys cause if the Vets would of stood by him, but their not really makes one question his integrity, honesty, and his patriotism to us and ours, though it appears the Vets are also questioning Kerrys mental fitness to command, one can not but help to side with the Vets, cause based on what Kerry says, one can't know for sure where Kerry stands, we all know he says he is a hero, but he Vets attest that this is but double talk, the last thing we need as president is a man that says one thing and does the other, etc...This message has been edited by whatever, 08-29-2004 03:04 AM

Its time for me to take a vacation, and you all were kind of wearing me down, so its time to take a break from this thread, thanks to all, for showing me that it was Thomas Jefferson that was implying that religious people can and have crafted laws from the good book (Holy Bible), etc...