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Adam & Eve to be blamed, or god!

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Message 44 of 117 (129331)
08-01-2004 1:30 PM 		Reply to: Message 43 by Hangdawg13
08-01-2004 1:15 PM

Re: Naive People and Blame
If they have no concept of good or evil - how did they know that God was telling the truth and that the devil was lying?
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God could have been a friendly gaoler for all they knew.
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Actually now I think about it - why is the tree there to start with? It's like God wants them to fail - like an abusive parent.
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LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.
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Who is the "us"? Is he talking to Zeus or one of the other gods?
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Message 47 of 117 (129336)
08-01-2004 1:49 PM 		Reply to: Message 46 by Hangdawg13
08-01-2004 1:44 PM

Re: Naive People and Blame
A good question. It can be inferred that Satan's fall occured before man's fall and that God judged satan, but satan said: wait a minute, thats not fair. So God made men to duplicate satan's situation before the fall and exhibit his fairness to angels through men. So Adam and Eve's situation was like Satan's before the fall. They were made perfect and were given the opportunity to choose for or against God.
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But you don't know do you? Clearly without the knowledge of good/evil they would be easy prey for Satan - God must have really hated them to set them up in such a way.
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God's purpose would have succeeded whether they succeeded or failed. It was their choice, but God knew what they would choose..
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But why does God ASK if they have eaten the fruit? Why does he not just tell them. Very odd behaviour - this christian god of your is a very strange animal.
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08-03-2004 4:49 PM 		Reply to: Message 60 by Hangdawg13
08-03-2004 4:43 PM

Re: Spiritually Alive
What was the actual PURPOSE of Adam and Eve?
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Either to be animals in a petting zoo or to fall and start the race?
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The more I think about it, the more nasty the christian god appears.
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Message 63 of 117 (130117)
08-03-2004 7:16 PM 		Reply to: Message 62 by Hangdawg13
08-03-2004 6:50 PM

Well I used to be a christian
but the brainwashing didn't take.
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Anyway so what's the answer? Animals in a petting zoo or stoogies set up to take the rap?
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Message 77 of 117 (131542)
08-08-2004 7:39 AM 		Reply to: Message 76 by almeyda
08-08-2004 7:10 AM

we are the creature. He is in charge. And we must acknowledge that position of authority.
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So we are animals in a petting zoo, thanks for confirming that...
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Message 80 of 117 (131550)
08-08-2004 8:47 AM 		Reply to: Message 79 by Phat
08-08-2004 8:44 AM

Re: My 2 cents
ah right - it's the approach of the critical thinker that is wrong - not the fact that the story does not make much sense?
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Remember kids - Feel, don't think!
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Be a good sheep!
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08-10-2004 5:57 AM 		Reply to: Message 90 by Phat
08-10-2004 2:49 AM

Re: God wants our undivided attention
But those commandments didn't exist at that time?
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08-10-2004 8:10 AM 		Reply to: Message 92 by Phat
08-10-2004 7:55 AM

Re: Why were the Commandments given?
Hi - if you are replying to me - you need to click on the reply to button at the bottom of my post. It allows us to track who is speaking to whom.
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08-10-2004 1:59 PM 		Reply to: Message 95 by Phat
08-10-2004 1:58 PM

Re: God wants our undivided attention
em that your post totally dodges the question put to you?
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Maybe that's the diff?
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