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Author | Topic: When the flood waters receded, where did they go ? | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Tranquility Base Inactive Member |
John
We all know empirically (ie fromthe strata) what happened. It's just an issue of when. [This message has been edited by Tranquility Base, 07-08-2002]
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Tranquility Base Inactive Member |
Edge
Your syntectonic conglomerates could quite easily be tectonic pre-flood phenomena - we had truly rapid uplift. The flood occurred in stages, the early ones of course with the land out of water. We know that the flood if it occurred was a tectonic event. We know that the lava flows intersperse with the water laid strata. Of course most of the earth's vulcanism happened during the flood for us. It wasn't pretty.
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John Inactive Member |
quote: No 'we' don't. You know a flood engulfed the planet. Others know differently. I don't see how the strata can tell both tales. This post just doesn't make sense. Sorry ------------------
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Tranquility Base Inactive Member |
Joe
The ark may have been sealed for more reason than one. Water and fire represent the washing and refining of the Holy Spirit. The flood itself represents baptism. It all has a purpose. The volcanic ash provides minerals for future growth just as the action of the Holy Spirit is one of fruitfullnes in the life of a Christian. What a wonderful picture of God's redeptive actions you have painted for us Joe. Our God truly is one that 'fleshes' things out in us and our land which is a picture of the 'holy ground'.
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Tranquility Base Inactive Member |
John
The data tells a story of marine innundations - whetehr it covered 80% or 100% of the land surface. After that it is an issue of when.
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Tranquility Base Inactive Member |
Gene90
If these processes occurred between Cambiran to Cretaceous I would definitely say you should schedule them for the flood. Just as with coal the flood answer can end up explaining the data better. I know you don't agree. Creationists have speculated about marring of the solar system via various potential meteoric events at the time of the fall or the flood.
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Joe Meert Member (Idle past 5711 days) Posts: 913 From: Gainesville Joined: |
quote: JM: But Setterfield said the ark had windows that were open so that Noah could record the effects of people being scalded to death by the activity. Basically, your answer is 'When pressed for details, respond with a miracle!". That's particularly poor theology and even worse science! I'll add this to the list of items creationists dodge. Cheers Joe Meert
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edge Member (Idle past 1737 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
quote: And that is one reason there was never a global flood.
quote: That is interesting since these uplifts occur throughout the geological column.
quote: TB, you are simply bouncing from one fact and off another like a ping pong ball. Never studying them, never taking in the big picture, never realizing that one of your stories negates the previous. None of this requires, or even indicates the possibility of a global flood.
quote: No, and it isn't very pretty for you argument either. You simply ignore those facts that are inconvenient. You have been given an indication of the degree of sterilization that would have cleaned the earth of every living thing and yet you forge on. Your model has cooked the earth and you walk away oblivious.
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edge Member (Idle past 1737 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
quote: Hunh? What's this 80% business? I hate to tell you, but 80% isn't a global flood. And actually, if I had to guess it was probably more like 30-40%, since that is an estimate of the maximum Cretaceous transgression in North America. I suppose that's as good a guess as any, without getting into measuring unconformities.
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Joe Meert Member (Idle past 5711 days) Posts: 913 From: Gainesville Joined: |
Edge
As you know, creationists are fond of the Gishian gallop. It requires the debater to launch a series of unrelated (and unsupported) claims. When challenged on the details, claim a miracle and then change the topic. This modus operandi has worked well so don't expect to see it abandonded. Cheers Joe Meert
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Tranquility Base Inactive Member |
Edge
Much, much more than 40% of the area of the earth has paleozoic and/or mesozoic marine deposits. Neither of you have even agreed with me that we don't even expect to see this final covering due to erosion. If this was a logical discussion surely you would make that concession.
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Tranquility Base Inactive Member |
Joe
Just where exactly did I do these things in this thread?
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Joe Meert Member (Idle past 5711 days) Posts: 913 From: Gainesville Joined: |
quote: The correct term is 'threads'. If you are talking specifically about this thread then look at your comment about why the ark is sealed. No science, just miracles. Cheers Joe Meert
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Joe Meert Member (Idle past 5711 days) Posts: 913 From: Gainesville Joined: |
quote: JM: But it's not 100% and that is what you require. Anything less is not global. Or are you willing to compromise scripture? Most other creationists are willing to compromise scripture (like Setterfiled, Austin, Baumgardner). Are you joining the pack. Cheers Joe Meert Cheers Joe Meert
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Tranquility Base Inactive Member |
Joe
We could only say empirically 100% if the top flood layer had remained everywhere. Of course no one could possibly expect that. The data is consistent with the expectations of our model. And exactly how do Austin and Baumgardner question scripture?
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