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Author Topic:   Damn fig tree!
Yaro
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Message 1 of 15 (129871)
08-02-2004 8:52 PM


Jesus entered Jerusalem and went to the temple. He looked around at everything, but since it was already late, he went out to Bethany with the Twelve. The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. Then he said to the tree, "May no one ever eat fruit from you again." And his disciples heard him say it. On reaching Jerusalem, Jesus entered the temple area and began driving out those who were buying and selling there
When evening came, they went out of the city. In the morning, as they went along, they saw the fig tree withered from the roots. Peter remembered and said to Jesus, "Rabbi, look! The fig tree you cursed has withered!"
"Have faith in God," Jesus answered. "I tell you the truth, if anyone says to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it will be done for him. (Mark 11:11-22)
And again here....
When Jesus entered Jerusalem, the whole city was stirred and asked, "Who is this?"
The crowds answered, "This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee." Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling dovesAnd he left them and went out of the city to Bethany, where he spent the night.
Early in the morning, as he was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, "May you never bear fruit again!" Immediately the tree withered.
When the disciples saw this, they were amazed. "How did the fig tree wither so quickly?" they asked.
Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. (Matthew 21:10-21
Disregarding the contradictory chronolgy of these events, I am more concerned with the meaning of the story. On the one hand it seems jesus is basicaly telling the desciples that they have the "power to move mountains" (metaphoricaly I assume), on the other hand Jesus withers a tree because it is not bearing fruit out of season.
Why? The tree was doing nothing wrong.
I would like to hear the opionons from some of the belivers on the board as to the meaning of this story. Not to mention how they reconsile Jesus's curse on a tree, that by all accounts, was not to be bearing fruit at this time.

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Yaro
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Message 4 of 15 (129980)
08-03-2004 10:11 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Amlodhi
08-03-2004 12:40 AM


Wow, thats kinda harsh!
So basicaly Isreal has withered in the eyes of the lord?
Could this not be interpreted as that Isreal is now hated by god or somthing?

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Yaro
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Message 12 of 15 (130138)
08-03-2004 8:36 PM


Greetings Mike and Ahmodi.
I am in no way insinuating that god hates jews, or jesus hates jews, I am not pointing at the bible as an anti-semitic text, that's for another thread
No seriously...
This is something that I have always wondered. I went to christian school when I was young and this story allways puzzled me. I actually find both your explanations interesting and helpfull.
As a matter of fact I think yours, mike, the one about the tree bearing fruit for this world etc. Sounds like a heck of a good metaphore!
That being said Mike, I don't mean to come off as if I am attacking you, or attacking your faith. I don't know you personaly, but I have allways had a personal stake in this issue. This is a debate forum, and we are at oposing points of view. I am perfectly within my bounds to post a topic for debate weather you take it personaly or not.
Back to the fig tree.
The reason I was concerned about it being misconstrewd is because it is a rather loose metaphore. If I was an anti-semite I could use it against the jews, and I wonder if in the darker days of christianity this particular verse wasn't.
I have a particular problem with parts of the bible like this which are so open to interpretation, becuase they cause more problems for us in the modern world.
I have read the bible mike, several times.

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