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mike the wiz
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Message 7 of 15 (130036)
08-03-2004 2:37 PM


Attacks on me are getting boring
The Gentiles are grafted in, that they may be saved, not that Israel perish. It even says in the NT, that blindness has come for this reason - that all will be saved. Israel is the Olive, but I think you and Yaro are digging deeply into the death of this Fig tree. Christ came to his own and they rejected him.
Certainly harsh. Remember that this originated from the perspective of the burgeoning "church" in the "church age".
"Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord".
Certainly it's a gross lack of revelation for Yaro to conclude that God hates Israel. Christ is Jewish.
Isn't Christ an example of who God accepts? Greek - Jew - Gentile.
If only the unbeliever could actually "hear". Instead of throwing rotten fruit, and nitpicking in hope of contradictions. But then - Christ himself said that only his sheep will hear his voice. How then have you any interpretation that is correct? When you seek to set stumbling blocks for God?
You will only hear what YOU have to say. For self-righteoussness, only produces withered figs. Aren't you out of season yaro? All you do is preach bad news about our faith. You say rightly when you say "those who do good for the world" don't recieve miracles. Like this Fig - it only bares fruit for the world - like you, and provides no fruit for God.

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mike the wiz
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Message 9 of 15 (130108)
08-03-2004 6:30 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Amlodhi
08-03-2004 6:11 PM


The attacks aren't limited to this thread. I am wrathful about numerous foolishness.
Yaro writes:
Could this not be interpreted as that Isreal is now hated by god or somthing?
No - it can't, unless you want to preach bad news from poor interpretations. Certainly she has no ear to hear. God doesn't hate any Israelis - nor Greek nor Jew, while I am Gentile. Getting it yet? If you guys are going to quote mine - you'll have to put up with the guy who read the "rest" of it. The NT clearly explains why blindness came, and as I previously said - the Fig tree is the Fig tree, and the Olive the Olive;
Romans;11;30: For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief; Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they may also obtain mercy........(going back to verse 26)..., And so all Israel shall be saved.
I responded to the question of why Jesus was depicted as withering a fig tree that sensibly shouldn't have been expected to produce fruit out of season.
I'm not really against you, but I don't see why this particular instance requires a topic. Could she have put it in her other topic where she tries to get rid of christian doctrine, or the topic before that - and the one before that.
Don't be surprised that I say "attacking me". That was not meant for you.

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mike the wiz
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Message 11 of 15 (130122)
08-03-2004 7:36 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Amlodhi
08-03-2004 7:15 PM


Hi Amlodhi.
There are many who are truly curious as to why Jesus withered that tree.
Okay - fair enough then.
that it is a symbolic prefiguration of church doctrine
Okay. I'm not sure about what the church says - or any man. All I know is that it doesn't represent the Jews in some bizare anti-semite interpretation of the passage. I think one can easily read too much into it.

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mike the wiz
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Message 13 of 15 (130145)
08-03-2004 8:56 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Yaro
08-03-2004 8:36 PM


This is a debate forum, and we are at oposing points of view. I am perfectly within my bounds to post a topic for debate weather you take it personaly or not.
Yes. I just get cranky when it seems the only faith being attacked is my one, and there has been a lot of attacks lately - on christians.
As a matter of fact I think yours, mike, the one about the tree bearing fruit for this world etc. Sounds like a heck of a good metaphore!
Thanks, I was a lil harsh on you - sorry. You gals seem to be a lot against me lately - what with Shraff wanting me to be killed.
The reason I was concerned about it being misconstrewd is because it is a rather loose metaphore. If I was an anti-semite I could use it against the jews, and I wonder if in the darker days of christianity this particular verse wasn't.
I doubt anyone could get away with this though. (Look at my quote for example, in my message to Am').
Usually I find, that there is no justification found for evil - when searched for in the NT. I gauruntee I'll have a wisdom for any evil people trying to "use" scripture for dark doings.
I have read the bible mike, several times.
I know. People have read up to six times yet not understood. Except the spirit of God reveal it to you, I doubt people can understand. Fair enough if you don't believe that, but I find that there are so many unbelievers who seem to come up with problems/arguments - against God, yet they find none for him. So obviously I remain slightly cynical. If only they could "see" it in my mind for a moment. Cos but then you would "get" me.

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