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Message 84 of 165 (118802)
06-25-2004 7:09 PM

Reply to: Message 82 by pink sasquatch
06-25-2004 7:01 PM

Re: Evidence You Can't See

pink sasquatch

Why would an omnipotent god be bound by material laws?

If he is not bound by material laws the question then becomes how did he manipulate the material universe into existence.You see it makes no sense to claim that the universe was created if we do not also lend an explanation as to how that creation was accomplished.You can say that an omnipotent God is not bound by material laws only if he never interacts with those laws, including their establishment.

Otherwise his omnipotence is in question is it not?

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Message 85 of 165 (118807)
06-25-2004 7:14 PM

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06-25-2004 7:02 PM

Re: Evidence You Can't See

jar

Then we can say nothing about it.It will never rise beyond speculation and can have no reality greater than that of fairies or Jinnis.I find that to be a personal waste of time but,hey, I have been known to waste my time.

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Message 88 of 165 (118818)
06-25-2004 7:29 PM

Reply to: Message 87 by pink sasquatch
06-25-2004 7:18 PM

Re: Evidence You Can't See

pink sasquatch

I feel like this is a statement based on our material framework. If we can't test or understand God, how do we know that he is incapable of creating a system he isn't bound by?

Exactly. But if we give the assumption that we cannot test or understand we are left with empty explanation and not even a basis for faith. If he cannot interact with the world then we cannot even have a hint at his existence and therefore are contemplating the existence of what?
If he is capable of interacting with the universe that does not bind him a test could be performed to try and establish the means by which he does so.

Anyway I have enjoyed going over this with you and I hope to continue it in the near future but for now my computer will be offline till Wednesday. Take care and stay hungry.

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Message 143 of 165 (129838)
08-02-2004 4:16 PM

Reply to: Message 110 by dandon83
07-28-2004 4:00 AM

Re: I got it!!

dandon83

that is why Quran is from God

Then why is the opening of the qu'ran a prayer to Allah if He is its author? That makes no sense.

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Message 145 of 165 (130156)
08-03-2004 9:17 PM

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08-03-2004 5:14 AM

Re: I got it!!

dandon83

1 In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.

2 Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds,

3 The Beneficent, the Merciful.

4 Master of the Day of Judgment,

5 Thee (alone) we worship; Thee (alone) we ask for help.

6 Show us the straight path,

7 The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray.

Why would he avoid telling us in the first person? No that is less likely than it being the work of men writing to an audience.You will have to do better than that.

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Message 161 of 165 (130267)
08-04-2004 8:38 AM

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08-04-2004 6:49 AM

Re: BILLOWS TOPPED BY BILLOWS!

dandon83

What are billows? And why are you giving this reply to my post which is as follows?

dandon83

1 In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
2 Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds,

3 The Beneficent, the Merciful.

4 Master of the Day of Judgment,

5 Thee (alone) we worship; Thee (alone) we ask for help.

6 Show us the straight path,

7 The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray.

Why would he avoid telling us in the first person? No that is less likely than it being the work of men writing to an audience.You will have to do better than that.

Just who the hell were you meaning to respond to old man?

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