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Deimos Saturn
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07-28-2004 7:37 AM


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This is a long post, it’s from a nihilistic perspective, I think I made some good points.
Many people have said what I’m going to say at the end of this paragraph before me especially in debate Bulletin Boards yet we (Americans) still have a president who puts a ban on stem cell cloning research (as well as we *the entire human population* live perpetually in culturally regressive modes arguing and killing because of scripture that teaches to love and accept) but I want to settle this once and for all.
Ultimately, quantum physicist have defined the mechanism of which God uses to create the universe and everything in it. That mechanism is called causality. However, causality brings the notion that we or I am not in control over my own destiny. Most religions of the world fundamentally believe God gave them a free will and I know I have a free will, however, according to nihilism, the free will is only a mental observation (inner observation) of the ability to calculate thought randomly (the notion of the soul) and control the physical self (the outer universe). Nihilism and Quantum physicists have methods for proving that the universe exists only inside the mind but I wont get into that. What you will all agree on with me is, our awareness of ourselves and existence forces us to believe we are in control of our destiny and the orders and laws of physical reality have not determined our future because of way the atoms and energies in us and around us act, however physical science has proven that:
In the physical universe, all particles of reality have set behaviors (any behaviors we have not yet to determine a scheme to are due to lacking sophistication in our current technology) according to the chaos theory. We live in a linear system that is constantly trying to find and equilibrium (by the way, recently quantum physicists have developed models of the universe that say the universe is a perpetual energy machine and will never end however near the time that the massive sand clock turns over there wont be a possibility for any life to exist for hundreds of billions of current earth years while the universe starts back up again so there is hope for you who fear a pointlessness to physical reality) that cannot ever achieve equilibrium because of the nature of the universe. This perpetual energy might sound completely cockamamie to modern physicists and even religious groups but you can read the highly plausible speculation at http://www.jrmooneyham.com/spprs7ref.html#section4.5
This said about set behaviors and schemes of particles (all of which are made from one common particle or the smallest possible particle) the chaos of the universe no longer seems so chaotic, rather, this unseen -almost divine mechanical order to the universe would be defined as the mechanism that god creates the physical universe and all things in it simultaneously instantaneously perpetually omnipotently ubiquitously and perfectly.
I believe the chaotic/systematic God is intelligent but obviously on a divine but not mystical level. In this physical universe we are within and containing God. This intelligence I speak of brings me to the point that intelligence is the ability to make calculative purposeful action. Within humans, almost all of our actions are purposeful, since we contemplate almost all our actions in an epistemologist’s formatted brain, this ability mimics god (man in his own image) and for us to be able to use our brains purposefully and act purposefully is the will of god as ordained by the limitations and capacities of the brain. Within many animals, it would seem they act purposefully upon completing calculative thought, but really the capacity to act purposefully only exists in few species of animals like prime apes, elephants, dolphins, whales, and the occurrence of purposeful actions is limited because their brain is not developed enough. In wild animals, little of their actions are ever purposeful, rather, most of their actions are primal, the way wild animals acts is purely the act of god because the aggregate of their brain is so simple that it is no different than a tree or a rock.
When I say the aggregate of the brain of wild animals is no different than a tree or a rock I am illustrating that all animals are incapable of making choices therefore all the impulses of their brains are as a result of the order and scheme of the universe attempting to reach equilibrium- ultimately this seems true for humans too since our brains are physical, but simply put, our brains are ONLY physical. In nihilism, the universe is contained in the consciousness therefore every occurrence within the universe be it the collision of a neutron with an anti neutron, spinning a roulette wheel, or misspelling a word is entirely purposeful and divinely formulated since God shares the same consciousness as we do. This brings me to the question what defines consciousness?
Is consciousness only a software in a brain or computer processor that computes delays and relays of electricity and chemicals? Can consciousness derive from something else? Is it possible for a plant to be conscious, or even a single drop of water. Like in the human brain, trillions or at least billions of bits of information are calculated by the cerebrum, cerebellum, and medulla. Our cerebrum is the finest engineering masterpiece of nature and probably the most complex arrangement of cells in comparison to all other living organisms on earth, and most likely the most complex collection of solid matter on earth.
An agreeable definition of God:
If you think about it, it is prejudice to say that only fatty acids and proteins or silicon chips can be conscious, if you take a step back, the entire universe and everything in it is an infinitely complex and infinitely big network of micro reactions. Micro reactions just like in the brain that makes up our consciousness, a consciousness that houses the construct of the physical universe, the physical universe itself is housing the construct of our consciousness and visa versa. So of course God is wise and omnipotent. God is conscious of everything in the universe because everything in the universe is inside it, we are not omnipotent because within the construct of the physical universe we experience we can only be conscious of that which is physical or emotional stimulus. We are limited by our perception of physicality, so ultimately, according to nihilism, evolution and creation are both false, if you dive deeper into the metaphysics of it all, ultimately even time is merely a construct of the consciousness, time is only believable to epistemologists and evolution can only be possible with time.
More on the human brain from an evolutionist standpoint.
With this organ we can process abstract postulations of reality versus a simulation or neither or both, we can build three dimensional models mentally, do math, create art, and communicate ideas to others with word. The cerebrum is an extension of the cerebellum we use to feel and move our physical bodies, and the medulla the simplest part of the brain, is quite literally the part of the body that makes us stupid. We make stupid decisions like ignore reason and adhere to irrational fear because of it, we lust for sex constantly because of it, its impulses are completely divergent of our cerebrum. This is why the medulla is called the reptilian brain because it’s formatted to function as a non social highly aggressive tree dwelling crap flinging monkey, thinking only of the survival of the self. This outdated and inefficient organ makes us possessive of objects, people, and territory, it makes us aggressive and the way our entire cortex is wired is modeled completely different from it and it reduces our chances of procreation and survival. however since it has dominance over the rest of the brain we close our eyes when we sneeze because as small tree dwelling almost pocket sized monkeys we had to shut our eyes when we sneezed or the pressure built up by the diaphragm would accumulated in the tear ducts causing our eye balls to pop out but since our eye sockets are currently too small to allow that to happen there is no need for us to shut our eyes, it‘s a left over primal impulse we have from when we were early humans.
Even if you are a creationist by the book, all this proof that surrounds you about evolution is bunk because it is proven (http://www.hatem.com/metah.htm#CONSCIOUSNESS) that time is a construct of the consciousness. In any case, if you live life as a good human by the book, don’t let your book get in the way of technological progress that may bring about economic stability, longer happier healthier lives, over all greater knowledge of the physical universe and resist the urge to behave or think with your medulla (aside from sneezing, coughing, scratching, controlling your blood pressure, heart rate, breathing, optic fixation on the horizon, body temperature, goose bumps, blushing, dreaming, digestion, and maybe the act of having sex) you’ll be fine sitting next to me on the bus.
As human animals, we are supposed to be social, communicate clearly and objectively, we are supposed to recognize ourselves as being a part of a commune, we all take part in rearing the children in order for them to have a better chance for survival, we are supposed to be artistic. As the human we are trying to become we are supposed to be like Jesus as described in the bible, the perfect human who is completely selfless, a good samaritan, thankful for everything, loving toward everyone unconditionally, and absolutely forgiving. These are super human qualities we don’t need to evolve to achieve because Jesus was a regular human. Believing people like this have existed or are possible helps a lot.
We all take steps to believe in something everyday, mostly out of fear. We believe we have a job the job we think we do because of our belief our memory is correct and we believe we are who we are because when we look at our drivers license next to our reflection, both would deduce that our identity is indeed correct according to what the piece of paper and plastic says and what our reflections look like. Believing in a talking snake in a tree or all life sharing a common ancestor are both legitimate, neither holding better ground over the other. Essentially our memory is the only thing that holds anything we believe together, whether it checks with what someone else says or what bones you find in the ground or what scripture reads, when two argue about the physical, eventually it breaks down into the mental. Those of you who point to my proof that the universe doesn’t exist, I say all the methods to know I AM and whether I exist or not are self evident to me in the now and always in the present. Chaos theory is also self evident, I know that if I go back in time and change something, the present or future will diverge greatly than what it would have been had I not traveled back in time, essentially, my mental model of atoms and energy works the same way. None of us can be conscious of atoms existing but we know that according to how we remember they behave we can draw the same conclusions, but it would be arbitrary to bring these points up since none of us really existwell I do, the rest of you are just characters in a virtual construct, just kidding.
I really think this site should be called Creationism, nihilism, or evolution? the vs. makes it sound so two men enter one man leave, know what I mean?

Nihilism is the answer, and it's not what you think...
http://www.hatem.com

  
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