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Author Topic:   Independent Historical Corroboration for Biblical Events
Steve
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Message 156 of 212 (116443)
06-18-2004 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by Cold Foreign Object
06-12-2004 2:10 PM


Independent Historical Corroboration for Biblical events

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Steve
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Message 161 of 212 (116618)
06-19-2004 1:14 AM
Reply to: Message 160 by jar
06-18-2004 2:40 PM


Re: Hittites
What events did not happen that are stated in the bible as having happened?

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Steve
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Message 163 of 212 (116660)
06-19-2004 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 162 by jar
06-19-2004 1:23 AM


Re: Hittites
A myth is a story about heroes, supernatural creatures, gods, god-men, personified creatures or creations and is usually told from the viewpoint of a god.
Genesis is monotheistic, about humans and their is no personification of creatures or creations, no half gods-men, no heroes and is told from the viewpoint of a human being.

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Steve
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Message 165 of 212 (116665)
06-19-2004 11:25 AM
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06-19-2004 11:00 AM


Re: Myth?

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Steve
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Message 167 of 212 (116671)
06-19-2004 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 166 by jar
06-19-2004 11:34 AM


Re: Myth?
What are these characters that you speak of. Name them.
And what are the traits of fiction.

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Steve
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Message 169 of 212 (116774)
06-19-2004 11:13 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by jar
06-19-2004 12:06 PM


Re: Myth?
Creations: Should the book of Genesis be taken literally? - ChristianAnswers.Net
How should Christians interpret Genesis 1-11? - ChristianAnswers.Net
GENESIS, HISTORY OR PARABLE? Does God expect us to read Genesis 1-11 as a record of authentic historical fact, or is this simply a collection of parable-like stories? - ChristianAnswers.Net
Noah: Could Noah's Ark really hold all the animals that were supposed to be preserved from Flood? - ChristianAnswers.Net
Catastrophe! and the Genesis Flood Questions-and-Answers - Creation SuperLibrary at ChristianAnswers.Net
I not sure what your contention with exodus or jericho is, but if you would, please explain to me. As far as the creation account and noah are concerned, there pretty much secure in extra-biblical scientific data.
For example, most mountain tops are made up of sediment, which is evidence that they were once under water. Read the above links. They'll explain better.

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Steve
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Message 174 of 212 (116949)
06-20-2004 11:31 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by JonF
06-20-2004 9:28 AM


Re: Myth?
Okay, since you all seem to want specific scientific names and data, give me yours.
What is this "blindingly" obvious evidence. What is this "evidence" that states that the flood was not global? Give me specifics since you demand them yourself.
I want to know the scientists, their backgrounds, their specific research, who funded it, their beliefs, and links or bibliographies so I can hold the actual articles in my hands.
How about you try to prove to me what you believe.

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Steve
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Message 176 of 212 (116958)
06-21-2004 12:10 AM
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06-20-2004 11:36 PM


Re: Myth?
the transformation from sediment to sedimentary rock takes time
prove this. this is what I'm talking about. you all are making statements like this without any corroboration. so where is it? show it to me.
why do you want more evidence that the flood happened?

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Steve
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Message 178 of 212 (116966)
06-21-2004 12:23 AM
Reply to: Message 177 by jar
06-21-2004 12:14 AM


Re: Myth?
ICR | The Institute for Creation Research
Okay, maybe I have to bring my speach pattern down a few notches:
What is the scientific evidence, the data, that says it takes millions of years for rock to turn into sediment? If what I'm asking is not clear, than maybe I thought to highly of this forum upon discovery.
Anyway, your job now is to provide me with your evidence for making such statments. And check the website above.

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Steve
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Message 179 of 212 (116967)
06-21-2004 12:25 AM
Reply to: Message 178 by Steve
06-21-2004 12:23 AM


Re: Myth?
Oh yeah, so your answers for why do you want more evidence is that I have provided no evidence?
Just think and read that for awhile until it sinks in and then get back to me, okay?
You want more, because I've provided none....hmmmm. So why do you want any at all?

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Steve
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Message 183 of 212 (117061)
06-21-2004 9:20 AM
Reply to: Message 182 by almeyda
06-21-2004 3:33 AM


Extra corroboration
No one obviously read this:
ICR | The Institute for Creation Research\
or this:
Acts and Facts Magazine | The Institute for Creation Research
This message has been edited by steve, 06-21-2004 08:25 AM

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Steve
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Message 185 of 212 (117184)
06-21-2004 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by AdminNosy
06-21-2004 12:23 PM


Re: Bare links
I guess that's why not one single person has refutted anything that I have linked to.
So the 500 plus flood stories in cultures spread out over the entire world is no considered independent corroboration.
I feel sorry for you all, claiming to be critical when you just swallow the same bitterness that the mass media keeps dishing out.
Be investigators. Don't just accept what your high school science teacher told you. Realy investigate these things.
Tell me what is incorrect about the links I posted. Oh, nevermind, your own administrator thinks that there are no real answers, so none of this matters, right?
You've gotta be kidding me. That's what I get for trying to have an intelligent conversation with people who support porn.
May God remove the blinding hand of the devil from your eyes. In Jesus Name. Amen

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Steve
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Message 186 of 212 (117310)
06-21-2004 9:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Peter
02-11-2002 10:27 AM


Faith is what you all have. You may not have faith in God, but you have faith in what you believe. You have faith that the scientists that say what you believe is true, why, because it makes logical sense to you and it fits with you're already formed schemata, but what you don't think about is you're puting just as much faith in so-called scientific evidence that you don't even take the time to realize that YOU WEREN'T THERE!
Whatever you say is the reason for life, its creation, condition and so forth is based on faith in something that was told to you, whether through books or a person.
Because you can't experience everything. Hello, that's what faith is, trusting in what you can't see.
Now I would like to start a new thread on independent historical corroboration for the big bang.

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Steve
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Message 192 of 212 (117474)
06-22-2004 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 189 by coffee_addict
06-22-2004 12:48 AM


Independent historical corroboration for the big bang would be written records by eye witnesses or oral traditions. None exist.
Do you get it?

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Steve
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Message 193 of 212 (117476)
06-22-2004 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 191 by JonF
06-22-2004 10:19 AM


Re: Bare links
Finally, now we're getting somewhere fellas.
That's what I like to see, some real point by point data.
Quotes don't help though, I want specifics. Thanks for the links I will check them out.
And stop crying about "bare" links. The proof and evidence is there, it's your perspective that is blinded.
Anyway, just to let you all know, I'll put stuff in my own words, but don't be surprised if it's not scientific.
The weather man says when the sun will rise, is that scientific, no of course not, but we all know what he means.
So get of your horse and get ready for some ley terms. Peace

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