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bob_gray Member (Idle past 5044 days) Posts: 243 From: Virginia Joined: |
I realize that crashfrog doesn't need me to argue on his behalf but I think you have taken what appears to be a "slip of the keyboard" and tried to make the poster appear ignorant. And regardless of what someone might mistype here on the forum it doesn't change the truth about evolution. That being said I will address the "typo".
crashfrog writes: Evolution is a result, not a process. When you let the mechanisms of evolution run for a short time, you get what might be called "micro-evolution." When you let them run for a long time, you get what might be called "macro-evolution." Since he follows up the first sentence by talking about the mechanism of evolution I think it is clear that the first sentence should have read, Evolution is a process, not a result. Every successful organism is in some sense the end of an evolutionary process, much like every organism is a transitional form. Evolution doesn’t end until life ends; it is a continuous process.
darkstar writes: Maybe those Christians are right, it may be easier to just say "god did it" than to figure out how the end of action has an ongoing action leading to an end of action ad infinitum. Talk about circular. Damn! I'm getting all discombobulated just thinking about that one. I am sorry that you are discombobulated; I hope it is not too uncomfortable. I’m sure you can see someone about that. If you can’t sort this out on your own you may indeed find yourself more comfortable in the god did it camp. On a side note your posts are difficult to read. The color scheme is awful.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Evolution=result, which signifies an end of action. Right, in that the present is the end of all actions in the past.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I think it is clear that the first sentence should have read, Evolution is a process, not a result. No, I meant what I wrote. Evolution is the result of ongoing processes. But it's idiotic to suggest that you can't get results until the very end of the process.
Evolution doesn’t end until life ends; it is a continuous process. The mechanisms of evolution don't end until life does; evolution is the continuing result of those processes. Look, it's like saying "the process of macro-walking". There's no such thing. It's macro-walking when you walk to the next county, and micro-walking when you walk to the store. Walking to the next county and walking to the store are results; they're where you wind up. It's the process of walking that takes you there, and it's the same process in each case. The only difference is the results of the process.
On a side note your posts are difficult to read. The color scheme is awful. Yeah, DS, what the fuck? Do you have a deep emnity towards readability or something? Your new style is a marginal improvement, but what's wrong with the original color scheme? This message has been edited by crashfrog, 06-16-2004 10:20 PM
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bob_gray Member (Idle past 5044 days) Posts: 243 From: Virginia Joined: |
Since you wrote what you meant I apologize for second guessing you, particularly since it appears my explanation was lacking in clarity.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Since you wrote what you meant I apologize for second guessing you, particularly since it appears my explanation was lacking in clarity. No apologies necessary. I was hardly clear myself, and I'm sorry for posting with the tone I did - I was in a hurry. It wasn't my intent to be so brusque.
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DarkStar Inactive Member |
Prior Lake, huh? Are you sure you're not from Frostbite Falls? Cheers BREATHE DEEP THE GATHERING GLOOM
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
"Dark Star", huh? You sure you didn't mean to put "Brown Starfish"?
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custard Inactive Member |
Isn't that in a Limp Bizkit song? Wait, that's chocolate starfish. He'd probably have to change his avatar.
This message has been edited by custard, 06-18-2004 12:46 AM
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Wait, that's chocolate starfish. No, this is a chocolate starfish.
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DarkStar Inactive Member |
Message to Crustade & Frogga..... While your jocular nature may not be as seasoned as mine, I am genuinely confident in your abilities to convoke a more superior degree of facetiousness than what I have observed thus far. Jocose Cheers BREATHE DEEP THE GATHERING GLOOM
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I am genuinely confident in your abilities to convoke a more superior degree of facetiousness than what I have observed thus far. I'm glad to know you have such faith in me. Unfortunately I'm not so optimistic about your ability to actually address rebuttals to your arguments.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Specifics, DS. I'd like to know specifics. What are the specific patterns and designs that you have personally observed in nature that have lead you to conclude that they have been intelligently designed? In particular, I am interested in how you know that a natural mechanism or source for these patterns and designs does not exist now, or could not possibly be found in the future. This message has been edited by schrafinator, 06-19-2004 08:54 PM
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DarkStar Inactive Member |
crashfrog writes: I'm glad to know you have such faith in me. Unfortunately I'm not so optimistic about your ability to actually address rebuttals to your arguments.
DarkStar replies:See, I knew you had it in you. Now that was funny! Good Job! Cheers BREATHE DEEP THE GATHERING GLOOM
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DarkStar Inactive Member |
schrafinator writes: Specifics, DS. I'd like to know specifics. Please refer to message 72 at http://EvC Forum: How does Complexity demonstrate Design and get back to me with any questions. Thanks Cheers BREATHE DEEP THE GATHERING GLOOM
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Well, the only relevant specific example you gave was that of the honeybee's construction of the honeycomb.
The automobile design is not relevant to evolution because they do not reproduce, and we also know who designed the first automobile, and probably all subsequent automobiles since then. Anyway, the post you sent me to did not answer my second question. Let us assume, since I am too lazy right now to do your research for you, that the honeycomb's construction does not currently have a naturalistic explanation. Let us also say that humans are not smart enough to ever understand how it is that honeybees can make honeycombs. Why do you conclude that our lack of knowledge about how honeybees make honeycomb means that an Intelligent Designer must have done it? How do you tell the difference between an Intelligently Designed system and a natural one we don't understand now, or may never understand? Is the honeybee's construction of honeycomb the only specific example of what you see as ID? Surely you didn't give up on science just because of a single, solitary gap in our knowledge, did you? This message has been edited by schrafinator, 06-20-2004 01:20 PM
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