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Author Topic:   Yes, teach all THREE ideas...if honesty is the policy.
AdminSylas
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Message 21 of 51 (106682)
05-08-2004 7:58 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by kofh2u
05-08-2004 5:13 PM


Warning to kofh2u
kofh2u writes:
The material should be presented without indoctrination.
And, if the church people are hard pressed, the bible has very little say about evolution or ceationism, beyond Genesis. Genesis one is a very short number of passages. Time is hardly the issue in fitting the curriculum to this material and the accompaning assumptions of some church peeple.
The church people might even oppose some of the bible verses which tend to support evolution.
Genesis 6
The Flood
1 When humanoids, early forms of men, began to increase in number on the earth, around the end of the Pilocene Age in the Quaternay Period of the Cenozoic Era, and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God, or that line of humanoids which would ultimately branch into the humanity which is yet to come, Homoiousian Men whose mental capability shall correspond, one-to-one, with the Ultimate Reality which we call God, [... rest of nonsense snipped ...]
kofh2u; you are in violation of forum guideline 7, which states
7. Avoid any form of misrepresentation.
The material which you identify as being from Genesis is not sustainable as a translation, or as a paraphrase of Genesis.
You should identify such things as an interpretation or exegesis, and not as a passage from the bible. Your original post on this was acceptable as far as I am concerned, as the interpretative sections were plainly indicated by parentheses.
This message has been edited by AdminSylas, 05-08-2004 07:09 PM

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AdminSylas
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Message 23 of 51 (106723)
05-09-2004 2:07 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by kofh2u
05-09-2004 1:40 AM


Re: More warnings to kofh2u.
I gather from your reply that you are citing some text called the Freudian Bible Translation. You are therefore also in violation of forum guideline number 6:
6. Never include material not your own without attribution to the original source.
Your manner of use of this idiotic source is also straying into violations of guidelines 5 and 10.
5. Bare links with no supporting discussion should be avoided. Make the argument in your own words and use links as supporting references.
10. Do not cut-n-paste long excerpts into message boxes. Please instead introduce the point in your own words and provide a link to your source as a reference. If your source is not on-line you may contact the Site Administrator to have it made available on-line.
I gather that this material is not on the web. Using it reasonably requires you to type in extracts. However, applying the guidelines in such a case requires you to make some argument in your own words as to why anyone should give this rubbish a moment of attention, or else to summarize the point you are trying to make in your own words, with some kind of argument or justification. Appeal to the authority and wisdom of your source, given its total lack of recognition, is worthless. The source itself gives no arguments; just assertions.
On a distinct matter, the extracts you are citing plainly show this source to be ridiculous. Do yourself a favour and throw it away.
Cheers -- AdminSylas

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AdminSylas
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Message 28 of 51 (106787)
05-09-2004 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by kofh2u
05-09-2004 2:49 AM


Re: source material was offered
kofh2u writes:
I am not unaware that these concise, in context, direct, and consistent interpretations (throughout thd whole of the Old and New Testaments as far ad I can see) is "different."
If you would like some more opinion, I would describe your reference as "verbose, totally unrelated to context, and inconsistent". But maybe that's just me. On the other hand; I doubt if it is just me.
The real problem is that it is introduced into discussion without any justification or reason to take it seriously. There have been no actual arguments given to support the interpretations; they come across as mere assertion.
But, I must point out that I did previously reference these quotes and credit them, including the publisher address. I was informed by another Admins that this was considered advertising and I was told to drop the referenced address.
The Freudian Bible Translation and Interpretation,
PO 52006
Philadelphia, Pa
19115
I have a sneaking feeling that you are just playing stupid here. To spell it out for you.
The proper way to cite a source is with the author, then perhaps the year and the publisher. Giving a business address is not a reference; it is an advertisement.
You should declare your own interest in this reference. Given that it, and you, are from Philadelphia, and given that there is no sign of this anywhere else on the web except as you bring it up here or on theologyweb, and given that the nature of the text we have seem makes it ... unlikely ... that any independent reader could find it persuasive, I suspect you have a direct association with the text. Please declare your own personal connection with this reference. If you are simply an enthusiastic reader, where did you hear about it?
{ Emphasis added in edit. This is the key question kofh2u/David must answer if he is going to continue to refer to this text. }
If this "interpretation" is your own work, then you do not need to reference it, but you do need to give some kind of argument in support of the material.
If this "interpretation" is not your own work, then you need to indicate the author. If it is actually a published book, then your can give the author, the publisher, and the year of publication. Business addresses are not required or appropriate.
If it is an informal private production of some kind; not available through normal sources, then it is a "private communication" or "unpublished manuscript". Again, you need to give the author, by name; not by business address. You also need to be clear on the nature of the document, whether it is a book, or an unpublished manuscript. But in such a case, you most especially need to give some reason of your own for why anyone else should pay it any attention.
Whenever you quote extracts from this, you can cite them as "Freudian Bible, by Fred Nurk" or whatever. But in any case, still need to give some kind of reason for taking it seriously, in your own words.
AdminSylas
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AdminSylas
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Message 48 of 51 (107830)
05-13-2004 4:18 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by kofh2u
05-12-2004 8:05 PM


kofh2u has been restricted from Dates and Dating
kofh2u will not be able to continue this debate until he deals with the outstanding matter of how he refers to and uses his Freudian Bible. See Message 45
Cheers -- AdminSylas
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